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Revive doesn't remove Buttery?


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Really? I was counting on this happening before I wash this weekend and putting a new layer of Buttery on.

 

So I wash....then just put Buttery on?

 

Also: the black plastic grill on my Camaro. Can I Revive/Buttery it? Or something else?

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I've often wondered in the scheme of waxing say every 4 weeks (approx) that clay is not mentioned (much). I would think on a DD outside 24/7 you would almost need to re-clay would you not? At that point it is like another paint correction if not using MSS.:confused:

 

Not quite sure I'm following your thought process.

 

Clay is an 'as needed' process. You can easily diagnose whether or not a car needs to be clayed simply by doing the plastic bag test.

 

I'll say it again - detailing is not one size fits all. Every situation, every environment, every car, is different and thus the interval in which you clay, polish, wax, or perform any process on your car will require you to evaluate the situation and make some decisions. There are simply far too many variables to say "wax every 4 weeks" or "clay every 3 months".

 

Claying every 4 weeks is excessive unless you live in some REALLY nasty conditions, even if the car is outside 24/7.

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Leave the revive out of it, not needed.

 

If the paint is still looking how you want all you need to do is apply a fresh coat of wax... by the 4 week mark and a wash/washes its gonna be time to refresh it.

 

Wash, Dry, Wax, Done!

 

 

I've often wondered in the scheme of waxing say every 4 weeks (approx) that clay is not mentioned (much). I would think on a DD outside 24/7 you would almost need to re-clay would you not? At that point it is like another paint correction if not using MSS.:confused:

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If you like to wax your car often, I would use Buttery every month after a wash and DS. I just did a Americana / BG / Americana application and hopefully it will last a couple months. If not, I'll hit it again with Americana in a month or so. The Americana product will last a long long time, so the price is totally worth it. It goes on easily and wipes off easily too. Just make sure you only do one panel at a time with it.

 

I'm really not sure when or why a person would use Revive, unless he/she is not looking for any paint correction or swirl and haze removal and just want a pre-wax cleaner to prep the paint. If there is wax on the car already, I wouldn't want to use Revive to take it off or prep between layers. I'd use Brilliant Glaze for that.

 

The Machine Super Wax looks cool to me, but personally, I don't mind hand waxing my car more often. I'll reserve the Super Wax till pre-winter application.

 

When should you clay? I would say twice a year...once spring and once fall, unless of course your finish feels like sandpaper, along with a complete detail. Just my two cents.

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Thx Dylan - good advice.

 

I live only a few blocks from a salt water bay, cars kept outside year round, and both daily drivers. When I typed "month", I figured I'd check at that point.

 

I'm really anxious to try Americana. :drool:

 

(BTW - how's that "new product testing" coming along? )

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So I'm thinking this:

 

April & October: dawn wash, clay, revive, wax

Once a month: reg wash, wax

In between as needed: reg wash, DS

 

 

 

 

Don't think so 'paint by numbers' detailing and paint care are things that require you to evaluate the situation and make an educated decision based on what you observe. Having a general plan isn't bad, but its pretty much only an outline and will likely not hold true. You may have a few weeks of nasty weather and need to refresh your wax more often... a tree may hit your car with sap droplets and you'll need to clay sooner than expected. The world is an unpredictable place and its not kind to clean cars.

 

Its like the navigation in your car... it will give you directions on how to get somewhere, but its not going to tell you when to stop at a red light, when to slow down in traffic, or when to signal for lane changes. Its an outline of point A to point B - the stuff in between is up to you to observe, react to, and use your judgement to make decisions.

 

I just put this post in another thread and it makes sense here too:

 

 

Theres a very simple way to tell when its time to put down a fresh coat of superwax... or buttery... or americana... or anything thats protecting your paint for that matter.

 

While washing if the water goes FLAT instead of beading up or rolling away then you need to apply a fresh coat. Sealants and waxes reduce surface tension and force water to bead up, when they start to break down the effect becomes less and less until it doesn't happen at all.

 

Its impossible to give 'one size fits all' application recommendations simply b/c everyones situation is different. Car kept outside vs. garaged. Daily driver vs. weekend toy. 30 mile commute vs. 5 mile commute. SoCal in winter vs. Michigan in winter.

 

So many variables come into play that its just crazy to try and peg one number down so "As needed" is the best advice I can give you. If you held a gun to my head I'd say the average would fall somewhere between 4-6 months of durability... thats clock ticking from the second you apply it to the complete failure of it.

 

Also nothing says you have to wait until its completely degraded to put a fresh coat down... if its been 3 months, and you still have beading, just not as good as it was when it was fresh, put a new coat down... it won't hurt.

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure if or where BG fits in, since it removes wax. Once a month is probably enough time for the wax to be effectively gone due to wear and tear.

 

Brilliant glaze is beauty product... applied under waxes for enhancement... I'd say if you're using Americana (don't bother doing both Americana and Buttery, your wasting effort and product there) do a regular 'upkeep' coat of Americana and when it starts to fail (per my instructions above) do a coat of brilliant glaze followed by Americana.

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So I'm thinking this:

 

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Once a month: reg wash, wax

In between as needed: reg wash, DS

 

 

Not sure if or where BG fits in, since it removes wax. Once a month is probably enough time for the wax to be effectively gone due to wear and tear.

Also wondering if I should use Americana every 3 months, and Buttery in the meantime....

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if you do have a PC or one is in your sights, MSW is the way to go.. then you can add the BG and Americana...

 

When applying the msw with the pc do you want to work it at all or just spread, wait 20 and wipe?

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I'm still trying to work out a schedule for "maintaining the awesome". It'll be 4 weeks this Friday since I did a full detail. Last Saturday I washed, followed by DS, and the car was covered in pollen 4 hours later. Water is still beading, but not like it was.

 

Did the DS remove any of the Buttery?

Will using Revive once a month be harmful in any way? Overkill?

If I put BG over Buttery or Americana, does it offer any protection and prolong the wax?

 

I'm trying not to overthink all this, but I'm a software engineer - its what we do. ;)

 

Is Buttery the finisher you are using? If you want more durability go with Americana or if you have a machine, Machine SuperWax. Butter has the lesser life of the three.

 

I prefer the IPA wipedown like Dylan for wax removal, and you dont need to clay more than once every three months, and that may be too much. Revive that much wont hurt just remember to finish it up because you will have no protection. Its always a good idea to make sure the old wax is off before applying new.

 

I suggest pickin up some Brilliant Glaze and Americana in the Premium Shine Kit, I think thats the name of it. ;)

 

But Dylan says Revive not needed then listen to him! I would consider stepping up your finsher is all. Then you dont have to worry about it every four weeks.

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I'm still trying to work out a schedule for "maintaining the awesome". It'll be 4 weeks this Friday since I did a full detail. Last Saturday I washed, followed by DS, and the car was covered in pollen 4 hours later. Water is still beading, but not like it was.

 

Did the DS remove any of the Buttery?

Will using Revive once a month be harmful in any way? Overkill?

If I put BG over Buttery or Americana, does it offer any protection and prolong the wax?

 

I'm trying not to overthink all this, but I'm a software engineer - its what we do. ;)

 

DS won't remove your wax. BG will shorten the life span of either wax. Revive will end the life of your wax.

 

For you I'd suggest MSW, it is perfect for cars that live outside :thumbsup:

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I would trust what Dylan has to say. I do know that if you want to remove the old wax, simply clay the car after you are finished washing it. As for the black plactic grill, I would go with the In & Out Spray.

 

I'm still trying to work out a schedule for "maintaining the awesome". It'll be 4 weeks this Friday since I did a full detail. Last Saturday I washed, followed by DS, and the car was covered in pollen 4 hours later. Water is still beading, but not like it was.

 

Did the DS remove any of the Buttery?

Will using Revive once a month be harmful in any way? Overkill?

If I put BG over Buttery or Americana, does it offer any protection and prolong the wax?

 

I'm trying not to overthink all this, but I'm a software engineer - its what we do. ;)

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I would trust what Dylan has to say. I do know that if you want to remove the old wax, simply clay the car after you are finished washing it. As for the black plactic grill, I would go with the In & Out Spray.

 

Or better yet, isopropyl alcohol wipe down... thats a way to get a panel 100% stripped quickly if you're only working in a specific area.

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I would trust what Dylan has to say. I do know that if you want to remove the old wax, simply clay the car after you are finished washing it. As for the black plactic grill, I would go with the In & Out Spray.

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Revive is a paint cleaning polish... it will remove buttery, if not entirely at least to the point you'll need a fresh application.

 

ah. just read in another thread the opposite. Same for Americana I guess?

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