Black Paint Frustrations

[Kingsford]

So yesterday I decided to start buffing my new Colorado, It had swirl marks up the wazzoo, well it still does thats why I'm getting upset and frustrated... I've never had this much trouble buffing a vehicle.

 

I'll let the pictures speak for themselves....

 

This first one is after I got upset and just started the process completely over.

 

I hit it with a yellow pad followed by an orange pad and this is what I got.... A **** ton of micro marring and HAZED sooooo hazed.

 

 

So I finished the process up with about 10 passes of FMP... Work the product till it flashed wiped clean... repeated this 10 times. Not 8 not 9 but 10 times. This is what I got.

 

 

It got rid of the haze but its still had micro marring.

 

Then I noticed this..... I worked this spot for 1 hour and it only got worse....

 

 

Finally I got so frustrated I just put some wax on it and gave up.

 

I dont know what the hell to do.

 

:help::help:

 

 

 

I've buffed black paint before and I've never EVER had it look like that after all the work. I've never had the Yellow or Orange Pad make haze like that ether. What is up with this!?!??!

[BlueGenCoupe]

step up to the flex or rotary.. I personally don't like the pc...takes way to long and too much effort.

 

Are the pads causing the micromarring or were they there from before?

[Kingsford]

step up to the flex or rotary.. I personally don't like the pc...takes way to long and too much effort.

 

Are the pads causing the micromarring or were they there from before?

 

I sold my Flex because it was too much for me and I wont go back to it. Plus the area is too small for big pads.

 

The Pads are causing the micro marring. Before I started, it was just swirl marks from washing.

[mrmsmop]

that last pic where the scratches are look like you polished through the clear coat. hope not maybe its something else i see but thats what it looks like. black paints a bear.

[Kingsford]

that last pic where the scratches are look like you polished through the clear coat. hope not maybe its something else i see but thats what it looks like. black paints a bear.

 

I have no idea how I would of went through it, this is the first time it's been polished and its a brand new truck.

[mrmsmop]

might have worked the area to much, is that spot where the scratches are grey and dull before you waxed it?

[the1inblue]

What speed are you working it at?

 

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[Kingsford]

Here is a picture from before I even took the PC out of the bag....

 

(Note that in the 2nd picture the hood looks pretty damn good, that was me )

 

The red circle is the area with the scuff.

 

As for the speed, I spread at speed 3 and buff at 5.

 

 

Different Angle.

 

[Kustom_FX]

Jason, is it 100% new, or gently used? If its used then it may have one of those Sealants applied to it. That gave me a world of nightmares on my truck.

[02Xtreme07ss]

I'm taking it to the dealership and *****ing. I went over the whole truck and found several paint flaws in it, some things I have never seen before. They aren't going to like me but oh well. If they truck needs to be repainted they are paying for it.

 

The only thing that has no defects on it is the tailgate.

 

Why should I pay close to $30,000 for a truck with F'ed up paint?

 

I mean am I wrong to think a truck with 200 miles on it after being driven from Iowa to the dealer should have next to perfect paint?

 

:explode:

 

I know how frustrating black paint can be, but hang in there. I do not think you are though the clear. When you break through the clear on a black GM vehicle and get into the base, you'll see a mottled look, it won't be grey. It will almost be like the base is transparent over the primer. I really don't think you are there yet from your pictures. Sadly, I know this only because I have some spots on my DD that I experimented on after someone keyed it a few years ago. Not to mention, you'll start seeing black pigmentation on your pads. If you aren't seeing either of the above, you are probably not through the clear.

 

Take a break and a deep breath, try doing an IPA strip on another panel, then start your process again. See what sort of results you get.

 

The last thing I will say is that you probably aren't going to find perfect paint on a new GM truck. Both my 07 and my 09 TBSS's were purchased brand new from the dealer. Both have various issues with the factory paint. There are some spots on my silver 09 where the metal flake in the paint didn't lay down correctly and caused some 'discoloration'. There is literally dirt and dust nibs in the paint on my black 07. I'm not talking about repaint or repairs, I'm talking straight off the truck from the factory. I would give Dylan a call and see what he thinks you should do next as he knows GM 8555 pretty intimately.

[Kingsford]

Jason, is it 100% new, or gently used? If its used then it may have one of those Sealants applied to it. That gave me a world of nightmares on my truck.

 

Had 200 miles on it when I got it. It was made in May 2011

 

is the spot your talking about the gray spot with the scratches right at panel separation?

 

The Scuff spot I am talking about is to the upper left of the fender flare. The whole situation of micro marring not going away after polishing is the entire top half of the fender

[mrmsmop]

if its dull and grey before you waxed it your through the clear coat which after working it that long would not suprise me. were you using alot of pressure?

[Kingsford]

if its dull and grey before you waxed it your through the clear coat which after working it that long would not suprise me. were you using alot of pressure?

 

No I wasn't using a lot of pressure and the 2nd pictures I posted were BEFORE I did anything to the fender and it is still dull and grey under the light.

[the1inblue]

If your using the 4inch pads you should be on a speed setting of 4. 5 is too fast for the 4inch pad.

 

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[mrmsmop]

i really think your through the clear coat saw a car (black) looked just like that that was through the clearcoat, i'd have an auto painter look at it and tell you for sure. maybe someone else tried to buff the spot out before you got it and messed it up.

[Kingsford]

If your using the 4inch pads you should be on a speed setting of 4. 5 is too fast for the 4inch pad.

 

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Looked every where (including the new Reference Guide Dylan just put up on the forum) and this is the first time I've heard this.

 

It's been like this since I got it, so I highly doubt it was something I did. I was actually buffing the area because of that mark.

[the1inblue]

Look in Vol 7 videos he explains it there.

 

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[Chris@Adams]

I would put the 6.75 pads back on your PC and start with the Orange pad & SHR, work on 5 or 6 speed go slow and use 9-14 lbs. pressure.Then go to the White pad & FMP. Do a 2x2 flat spot so you will know what you need to do to correct the whole truck.

[Kingsford]

I would put the 6.75 pads back on your PC and start with the Orange pad & SHR, work on 5 or 6 speed go slow and use 9-14 lbs. pressure.Then go to the White pad & FMP. Do a 2x2 flat spot so you will know what you need to do to correct the whole truck.

 

I'm taking it to the dealership and *****ing. I went over the whole truck and found several paint flaws in it, some things I have never seen before. They aren't going to like me but oh well. If they truck needs to be repainted they are paying for it.

 

The only thing that has no defects on it is the tailgate.

 

Why should I pay close to $30,000 for a truck with F'ed up paint?

 

I mean am I wrong to think a truck with 200 miles on it after being driven from Iowa to the dealer should have next to perfect paint?

 

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