Guest Luke Warmwater Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLOWpoke Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 NICE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDM Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Such a simple concept that so many people have trouble understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savi01 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 There need to be billboards of with that on them all over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFairbanks Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Haha That diagram is missing a lot of stuff IMHO. Speeding/weaving in and out of traffic is far more dangerous than someone tying up the fast lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dv3andrs Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I do agree with the weaving and speeding, however, if the left lane was open, the weaving might end. I love and hate driving. I hate that my fuel economy can go from 13 in the early morning to 8 during the afternoon on the same stretch of road. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArablueRS3 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Haha and your in VB also! We have the absolute best driver's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dv3andrs Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I hate driving here, I have almost been hit at least six times in the past month. Then there is the being cutoff game, I'm going to need new brakes before I know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArablueRS3 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I love the draft game played. Get real close behind you and at the last moment when you need to get over they swerve around you. I carry a Louisville in the trunk for a reason. Its absolutely crazy here. I've been to many countries and i thought Europe was the epitome of stupid driving...nope it has nothing on Hampton Roads! Men/women it doesn't matter at all. We recently bought bikes to ride around the neighborhood....its even worst on ground level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFairbanks Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I do agree with the weaving and speeding, however, if the left lane was open, the weaving might end. I love and hate driving. I hate that my fuel economy can go from 13 in the early morning to 8 during the afternoon on the same stretch of road. Oh well. Just means they would shoot across 3 lanes of traffic at the last moment to hit an exit that they should have set up for a couple miles back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Luke Warmwater Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Am I really hearing people defend lollygagging in the passing lane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFairbanks Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Am I really hearing people defend lollygagging in the passing lane? Not necessarily, but like I said before there is so much more to it. Speed kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArablueRS3 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Just means they would shoot across 3 lanes of traffic at the last moment to hit an exit that they should have set up for a couple miles back. I've seen a semi do that a few times in traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjhpadi Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Now in order for people to see that, you need to text it to their cell phone so the can read it while they are driving.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFairbanks Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I've seen a semi do that a few times in traffic. Half the time those guys are lost and in unfamilair territory. Not defending what they are doing, just saying. Is it safe? Absolutely not. 99% of the time it is someone who thinks they are in hurry and the end up waiting at the next light. All while putting the safety of the general public at risk. Now in order for people to see that, you need to text it to their cell phone so the can read it while they are driving.... Saw a lady on Monday morning steering with her elbows and both hands on the qwerty keyboard. The very next day another lady with a bowl of cereal in her left hand and texting with the right, and steering with her knees. Both while going down the highway at 70 mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Luke Warmwater Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Not necessarily, but like I said before there is so much more to it. Speed kills. What does that have to do with driving in the passing lane when you are not passing? Start a thread about speeding or weaving in traffic if that is what you'd like to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveVY Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) The left lane lollygaggers drive me nuts! And yes, I am one of those people that will pass on the right when those nuts are oblivious to the traffic flow and just hang out in the left lane. Then there are times that, because I am moving to the right after passing someone, the next person I pass is on my left and I sometimes get those glares and ... gestures... as if I am doing something wrong because I am passing on the right. But then there are other times when I pass on the right that the person who was just passed will then realize they are going too slow and finally move over. So, I agree that weaving would be almost non-existent if people stayed to the right except when passing. Love the flow chart! It should be on the back of every sun visor and on every phone screen (automatically show it when the phone recognizes it is in the car). Looking forward to the day when our cars are intelligent enough about where the road is and where the other cars are that it will be able to remind the driver to "move over idiot!". Confession time - my wife and in-laws tell me I am an aggressive driver, and I recognize that and I consider myself an aggressive/defensive driver. I am always aware of what types of cars are around me, where they are and how aware the drivers seem to be - so I always know which drivers are the highest risk for doing something dumb and I avoid being near them and I always know "my out" or where I could move to in the case of an emergency move. Almost 30 years driving and no accidents (knock on wood). Edited June 9, 2012 by DaveVY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colodude18 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) What does that have to do with driving in the passing lane when you are not passing? Start a thread about speeding or weaving in traffic if that is what you'd like to talk about. Hear hear. I agree that the weaving and speeding is brought about to a large extent by the drivers that don't keep right. And trucks that hang in the middle lane. In order to go around them you have to exceed the speed limit. And speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills(along with distracted driving). I agree that that can be bad driving on the speeder's part, but not necessarily. In Germany, large parts of the Autobahn have no speed limit and yet Germany has the least amount of fatalities on the highway in the world. That's because people stay to the right, anticipate other traffic, and KNOW HOW TO DRIVE. I'll get on my soap box now and say that being able to operate a car doesn't mean you can drive!! I grew up in a region of the world where driving is taught by PROFESSIONAL instructors, with a mandatory MINIMUM of 20 one-hour driving lessons, in ALL conditions (day, night, wet, dry, slow, fast, highway, rural, busy city, etc) before you can even go take your driver's test. I know many of my daughter's friends who's "driving instruction" by their parents consisted of driving ONLT the very quiet streets to and from school. Some of them were afraid to drive in the rain (!) when they already had their permit... This system of the blind leading the blind is a vicious circle; bad parent drivers teaching their kids, that's how you pass on incompetence behind the wheel from one generation to the next. When I was teaching my daughter to drive, we spent way more hours than the minimum required, and made sure she drove in different cars (auto and stick shift), in all weather conditions (including 6 inches of snow!) day, night, mountain passes, highway, downtown, etcetera. I even made her do make shift autocross courses I set up with cones on a deserted industrial parking lot, although I'll admit that was as much for my own benefit and enjoyment than as a teaching experience (it was great fun until a security guard chased us away). I think if there was at least some minimum mandatory professional driving training that was required here, people would stand a much better chance of becoming at least decent drivers. And STAYING RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. Edited June 9, 2012 by colodude18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFairbanks Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 What does that have to do with driving in the passing lane when you are not passing? Start a thread about speeding or weaving in traffic if that is what you'd like to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveVY Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 ... I'll get on my soap box now and say that being able to operate a car doesn't mean you can drive!! I grew up in a region of the world where driving is taught by PROFESSIONAL instructors, with a mandatory MINIMUM of 20 one-hour driving lessons, in ALL conditions (day, night, wet, dry, slow, fast, highway, rural, busy city, etc) before you can even go take your driver's test. I know many of my daughter's friends who's "driving instruction" by their parents consisted of driving ONLT the very quiet streets to and from school. Some of them were afraid to drive in the rain (!) when they already had their permit... This system of the blind leading the blind is a vicious circle; bad parent drivers teaching their kids, that's how you pass on incompetence behind the wheel from one generation to the next. When I was teaching my daughter to drive, we spent way more hours than the minimum required, and made sure she drove in different cars (auto and stick shift), in all weather conditions (including 6 inches of snow!) day, night, mountain passes, highway, downtown, etcetera. I even made her do make shift autocross courses I set up with cones on a deserted industrial parking lot, although I'll admit that was as much for my own benefit and enjoyment than as a teaching experience (it was great fun until a security guard chased us away). I think if there was at least some minimum mandatory professional driving training that was required here, people would stand a much better chance of becoming at least decent drivers. And STAYING RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. My youngest daughter is 14. In school she will have the drivers ed class but I don't think those are good enough. There is some emphasis in this country to improve our science and math education and I think this needs to be expanded to include driving education. With proper driving education we have make a dramatic impact on fatalities, injuries, legal fees and car accident related expenses (and car insurance costs). Because the built in system is inadequate I will be doing something like Adrian mentioned and also plan on having my daughter do a class like this: Street Survival Teen Driving School Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colodude18 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 My youngest daughter is 14. In school she will have the drivers ed class but I don't think those are good enough. There is some emphasis in this country to improve our science and math education and I think this needs to be expanded to include driving education. With proper driving education we have make a dramatic impact on fatalities, injuries, legal fees and car accident related expenses (and car insurance costs). Because the built in system is inadequate I will be doing something like Adrian mentioned and also plan on having my daughter do a class like this: Street Survival Teen Driving School Good for you!! Totally off topic now, but I think people don't realize how important it is for new drivers to experience the car under extreme circumstances. If you've never been in a sliding vehicle, you just might close your eyes and scream the first time that happens! I would make it a point to take my daughter out to a deserted parking lot after a good snow, use the e-brake to put the car in a slide and have her correct it. Once you're used to the feeling you can think rationally again and avoid a collision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dv3andrs Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Just means they would shoot across 3 lanes of traffic at the last moment to hit an exit that they should have set up for a couple miles back. That too is an excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFairbanks Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Hear hear. I agree that the weaving and speeding is brought about to a large extent by the drivers that don't keep right. And trucks that hang in the middle lane. In order to go around them you have to exceed the speed limit. And speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills(along with distracted driving). I agree that that can be bad driving on the speeder's part, but not necessarily. In Germany, large parts of the Autobahn have no speed limit and yet Germany has the least amount of fatalities on the highway in the world. That's because people stay to the right, anticipate other traffic, and KNOW HOW TO DRIVE. I'll get on my soap box now and say that being able to operate a car doesn't mean you can drive!! I grew up in a region of the world where driving is taught by PROFESSIONAL instructors, with a mandatory MINIMUM of 20 one-hour driving lessons, in ALL conditions (day, night, wet, dry, slow, fast, highway, rural, busy city, etc) before you can even go take your driver's test. I know many of my daughter's friends who's "driving instruction" by their parents consisted of driving ONLT the very quiet streets to and from school. Some of them were afraid to drive in the rain (!) when they already had their permit... This system of the blind leading the blind is a vicious circle; bad parent drivers teaching their kids, that's how you pass on incompetence behind the wheel from one generation to the next. When I was teaching my daughter to drive, we spent way more hours than the minimum required, and made sure she drove in different cars (auto and stick shift), in all weather conditions (including 6 inches of snow!) day, night, mountain passes, highway, downtown, etcetera. I even made her do make shift autocross courses I set up with cones on a deserted industrial parking lot, although I'll admit that was as much for my own benefit and enjoyment than as a teaching experience (it was great fun until a security guard chased us away). I think if there was at least some minimum mandatory professional driving training that was required here, people would stand a much better chance of becoming at least decent drivers. And STAYING RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. In regards to your speed doesn't kill I would have to disagree to some extent. Speed limits are there on certain roads for a reason. Not necessarily talking highways. I know of a perfect example here locally where if someone is going above the posted speed limit sign on a blind corner the chances of someone seeing them in time to avoid an accident is shortened. And I would consider myself a trained professional. In regards to semis hanging in the middle lane it is because you have traffic merging onto the road that don't know how to do it. They seem to not want to wait 5 seconds and merge behind. I personally have watched people try to squeeze around me while pulling a set of doubles and run out of space in the middle of my set. I have pulled turnpike doubles, rocky mountain doubles and triples. And yes people should stay to the right except to pass. But it doesn't make things any safer to be racing down the highway 20+ above the posted speed limit. And usually those that are doing this are the ones like to shoot the pocket. If traffic is heavy and that inside lane is open and it is the path of least resistance and allows me space in front, I will use it. (Talking about personal car here) But don't expect me to exceed the speedlimit by more than 10 because your in a hurry. I will move over when it safe to do so, without forcing myself in. Sounds like you did a great job of teaching your daughter properly and I commend you for that. Kids now days have no clue what a manual transmission is. My grandma told me if you don't know how to drive a manual transmission you don't know how to drive. All you know how to do is steer. Your right about the vicious circle with poor parent drivers teaching their kids. My wife has already told my son that it will be me doing the training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDM Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Speed kills. "Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you." - Jeremy Clarkson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjhpadi Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I agree, I guess one of my biggest pet peeves is that most people drive like they think they are the only car on the road. I just can't believe some of the things I've seen people do while driving, and the only explanation can be that they are completely ignore to the fact that there are other cars using the same highway! Every day it seems to get worst, but all I can do is shake my head and drive defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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