LPS before Ceramic paste wax?

[ColoradoSHObro]

In general do these 2 play well together? 

plan on doing a correction to my vehicle soon. I'll be using correcting polish with a microfiber cutting pad(metallic black paint is pretty hard) first then I'd really like to use the LPS after correction to give it extra protection and i think it would pretty much serve the purpose of a finishing polish also. but the end goal is to apply Ceramic paste wax and if the LPS don't layer well with CPW i'll have to re-think my process. 

Thanks for any help!

Edited September 23, 2018 by ColoradoSHObro

[ColoradoSHObro]

ok i stopped by adams HQ this morning and talked to phillip  who works in the shine stop. got the low down on this layering process and he pretty much told me don’t layer LPS and CPW in any way. they’re different chemical families and not meant to go together. 

furthermore he rated the CPW longevity at a year and said there’s no point in going over it with another form of protection. just use ceramic boost as a topper occasionally. 

he didn’t say there would be any ill effects if you did layer the 2 but warned that mixing so many different chemicals onto a finish can produce some unintended effects. 

so it boils down to this:

if you want long term protection use LPS and top with HGG-this process is cheap,simple,and easy.

if you want to step up in shine and longevity then use CPW and top with CB. 

but keep the polymers with polymers and SIO2 products with SIO2 products. 

i think that’s a simple school of thought to follow. 

[falcaineer]

I asked pretty much the same question here. Interestingly enough, when I asked three different Adam's reps the question, all three said to do the CPW first, then PS.

[Blackbird_ws.6]

I’m in this for an answer too as that was my plan. So CPW then PS? Would you use G&G or booster as a topper for that combo?

 

[falcaineer]

37 minutes ago, Blackbird_ws.6 said:

I’m in this for an answer too as that was my plan. So CPW then PS? Would you use G&G or booster as a topper for that combo?

 

 

Yes, CPW and then PS. For that combo, you could go with either one as a boost. The CPW and PS will play nicely together, of that was anyone's concern.

[ColoradoSHObro]

hmm that makes me really curious. i wonder if the CPW is the more durable of the 2 types of protection or it just needs to bond to the paint more than LPS to work properly. 

I would also think LPS would agree a little more with HGG and CPW with ceramic boost as each are in the same chemical family. in fact am adams rep once told me you shouldn’t layer HGG and ceramic boost. 

 

[falcaineer]

1 hour ago, ColoradoSHObro said:

hmm that makes me really curious. i wonder if the CPW is the more durable of the 2 types of protection or it just needs to bond to the paint more than LPS to work properly. 

I would also think LPS would agree a little more with HGG and CPW with ceramic boost as each are in the same chemical family. in fact am adams rep once told me you shouldn’t layer HGG and ceramic boost. 

 

 

PMing with @pirahnah3 and his thought was it may be the increased levels of silica in the CPW, and maybe its need/ability to bond with bare paint more than PS. I say try it with CPW first, followed by PS, and see how it does. There won't be any harm in the results. I may just do it for my winter prep in the next couple months. 

[ZMAN024]

11 minutes ago, ColoradoSHObro said:

if you want long term protection use LPS and top with HGG-this process is cheap,simple,and easy.

if you want to step up in shine and longevity then use CPW and top with CB. 

but keep the polymers with polymers and SIO2 products with SIO2 products.  

i think that’s a simple school of thought to follow.  

 

^^^Agreed^^

[falcaineer]

2 hours ago, ColoradoSHObro said:

ok i stopped by adams HQ this morning and talked to phillip  who works in the shine stop. got the low down on this layering process and he pretty much told me don’t layer LPS and CPW in any way. they’re different chemical families and not meant to go together. 

furthermore he rated the CPW longevity at a year and said there’s no point in going over it with another form of protection. just use ceramic boost as a topper occasionally. 

he didn’t say there would be any ill effects if you did layer the 2 but warned that mixing so many different chemicals onto a finish can produce some unintended effects. 

so it boils down to this:

if you want long term protection use LPS and top with HGG-this process is cheap,simple,and easy.

if you want to step up in shine and longevity then use CPW and top with CB. 

but keep the polymers with polymers and SIO2 products with SIO2 products. 

i think that’s a simple school of thought to follow. 

 

No argument they are different products families. But so are wax and sealants and we layer those, too. 

 

Ironically, when I was there, I talked to the Shine Stop (Tyler and Eddie), Matt and Tyler, and they all told me the products could be layered as I said above. Sounds like differences in opinions. Interesting.

[ColoradoSHObro]

1 hour ago, falcaineer said:

 

No argument they are different products families. But so are wax and sealants and we layer those, too. 

 

Ironically, when I was there, I talked to the Shine Stop (Tyler and Eddie), Matt and Tyler, and they all told me the products could be layered as I said above. Sounds like differences in opinions. Interesting.

surely different opinions at play. he didn’t tell me you COULDNT or even SHOULDNT do it but more that he recommends not to and that he never would because there’s no benefit to applying LPS as your last step. 

 

and yes, as enthusiasts we do layer a lot of products on our cars without issue. however i think the game changes when you’re talking 2 powerful chemical sealants that compete over bonding to the paint.

quite a bit different than layering wax over sealant.

 

im sure as CPW gets used more widely a lot of these questions will be answered through experience.