Brent44 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I've been using Adam's machine super wax on all of my vehicles, but I've noticed people really like butter wax. What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bill-V8V Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 That is an easy one :D:D MSW is a sealant and Buttery wax is a carnauba/polymer blend. With a sealant you get a great shine and it lasts longer than a wax but with a wax you can achieve more warmth and depth. Now if you want the best of both worlds put Buttery wax over the top of the MSW. :thumbsup::thumbsup: If you do a Search on MSW you will get some much more in depth info on this topic :pc::pc: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bill-V8V Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I just did a quick search and found this thread, this should be exactly what you were looking for :rockon::rockon: http://www.adamsforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2541 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BrianT Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 So... MSW first and Americana second = Fantastic? If so, I need to buy some Americana!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brent44 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Thanks for the help and the link; however, someone mentioned that sealants are potentially harmful because they work themselves into the clear coat? Also if I'm using a PC, would applying the butter wax not remove the super wax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brent44 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 just ordered some buttery wax and VRT for the hell of it, still wondering about the questions above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adam Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 It sounds like the Americana provides more shine and depth than the MSW. Two coasts of the Americana should be as durable as one coat of the MSW. That's what I've found, and it seems our customers who have posted here have found the same to be true. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Team Adam's Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Agreed. I applied my first coat of Americana (as a test) over my existing coats of MSW & BW... the results were awesome. When I have time to break the finish down again and start over I'm going to do a few test panels w/ Americana (2 coats) and a couple of other panels w/ MSW followed by Americana just to see if theres any discernible difference in appearance. I really love MSW just for its mirror like finishing qualities, but it does lack depth. I really need to apply Americana w/ Baron Von Awesomes cold water process... I've used ice water for paste before, but his methodical panel pattern seems like a much more efficient way to go about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brent44 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 So should I change the order from butter wax to Americana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Team Adam's Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Thats entirely up to you, your budget, and desired finish. Theres no debate as to whether or not Americana is better than Buttery, but you shouldn't feel obligated to switch just b/c its there. I've been using Buttery wax for years and will still continue to keep it in my supplies b/c its still a great easy to use product that will be used regularly on my wifes car, and my detailing side jobs. If you've got an extra $70 to burn and want to take things to the next level then go for the Americana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brent44 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 I went ahead and bought it, I'm never going to make a profit off my business if I keep buying stuff!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Team Adam's Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 You won't be disappointed... and based on how little it took to coat my TBSS you won't need to reorder again for a LOOOOOOOOONG time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brent44 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 You won't be disappointed... and based on how little it took to coat my TBSS you won't need to reorder again for a LOOOOOOOOONG time. thanks for the help and answers! Car looks amazing by the way. What's the best way to work this wax in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Team Adam's Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 thanks for the help and answers! Car looks amazing by the way. What's the best way to work this wax in? As in application?? Just use the included applicator, apply VERY thin coats, let it cure (it'll haze up pretty good when its done) and buff off w/ the white mf towel... no real trick to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brent44 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 So I should hand buff it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Team Adam's Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Baron_Von_Awesome Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I went ahead and bought it, I'm never going to make a profit off my business if I keep buying stuff!!! Depends on what you buy To go off topic for a second: Spend money on things that make you go faster while giving you great results and you'll have the stuff paid for (and back to making $$$) in no time!! i.e. Ace power stick and a quality drill with a few spare batteries, brush attachment for a Porter Cable to clean upholstery faster - small stuff like those things saves A LOT of time, which means you can do more cars in a day!! As far as wax goes, you can get your money back by offering it as a premium service (since it is a premium wax, right?). So, cheapo wax comes with a wash/wax/vacuum special - upsell the Americana in place of cheapo wax for a few dollars more. By the time your Americana tub runs dry, you should be able to buy 2 or 3 more tubs of it using the extra money you made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Team Adam's Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Excellent advice from a guy who REALLY knows what hes talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brent44 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Depends on what you buy To go off topic for a second: Spend money on things that make you go faster while giving you great results and you'll have the stuff paid for (and back to making $$$) in no time!! i.e. Ace power stick and a quality drill with a few spare batteries, brush attachment for a Porter Cable to clean upholstery faster - small stuff like those things saves A LOT of time, which means you can do more cars in a day!! As far as wax goes, you can get your money back by offering it as a premium service (since it is a premium wax, right?). So, cheapo wax comes with a wash/wax/vacuum special - upsell the Americana in place of cheapo wax for a few dollars more. By the time your Americana tub runs dry, you should be able to buy 2 or 3 more tubs of it using the extra money you made. The thing is there are plenty ofpeople who wash cars where I live. My success is attributed to my knowledge and proffesional equipment. I use those things to diversify myself. I have been able to make profits but I am not very self disciplined when spending my money. Thanks for the advice! Oh and ya I really just bought the Americanna for myself and clients who prefer more extensive details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Baron_Von_Awesome Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 The thing is there are plenty ofpeople who wash cars where I live. My success is attributed to my knowledge and proffesional equipment. I use those things to diversify myself. I have been able to make profits but I am not very self disciplined when spending my money. Thanks for the advice! Oh and ya I really just bought the Americanna for myself and clients who prefer more extensive details I used to be the same way, so I know how you feel! Being a person who relies on making lists for everything (I have a HORRIBLE memory), I came up with a quick solution: draw a line down the middle of a piece of paper - left side for "needs" and right side for "wants". Don't buy anything from "wants" until your "needs" are completely scribbled out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Brent44 Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 I used to be the same way, so I know how you feel! Being a person who relies on making lists for everything (I have a HORRIBLE memory), I came up with a quick solution: draw a line down the middle of a piece of paper - left side for "needs" and right side for "wants". Don't buy anything from "wants" until your "needs" are completely scribbled out I will definitely give that a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Chewy Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I've done my car 2.5 times and a boat 1.5 times and I still have a CRAP ton left to go... I have all three and prefer the Americana. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jjwvette Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Great info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mick Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 This place is like a drug addiction. And I keep coming back for more. Amazing site, amazing product, amazing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DP77/00Vette Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 I really need to apply Americana w/ Baron Von Awesomes cold water process... I've used ice water for paste before, but his methodical panel pattern seems like a much more efficient way to go about it. Can someone explain the cold water thing? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Baron_Von_Awesome Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Can someone explain the cold water thing? Thanks! The thread is located here. Maybe a moderator can move it to the "Tips & Tricks" section? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I've been using Adam's machine super wax on all of my vehicles, but I've noticed people really like butter wax. What's the difference?
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