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Adam's marketing videos say that CS3 "cleans" with surfactant(s), emulsifier(s), and I assume other cleaning agents.  When CS3 is used frequently over a base of Graphene Coating, could CS3 diminish the base coating?  I ask because as CS3 removes light contaminants, what's keeping it from wearing away the base?  I realize that CS3 will also leave a layer of protection, but the question is whether the cleaning agents inside CS3 will wear down the base coating.

Perhaps a better question is to ask about using the waterless wash on top of a coated car.  Or, are Adam's products like the ww or CS3 are designed to not thin out the base coating?

Thanks.

1 hour ago, falcaineer said:

 

Ah, gotcha. The spray coating won't really work with the other layers in between, nor frankly as well as it could even if right over top of the base layer only (assuming everything else was stripped off or otherwise gone). Will it hurt? No. But in my opinion not really worth your time or effort since the others are great options as-is.

Thank you.  That helps.  When you say "since the others are great options as-is", do you mean the G Boost, GCS3, and GDS?

3 hours ago, falcaineer said:

 

The coatings need a bare surface to properly bond. Even layering them 2+ times does not give 2x+ protection. You can layer the water-based ones as they're designed to be sacrificial layers anyway. In other words, keep the true coating as your base, use the others as your maintenance.

Thanks for your reply.  I fully understand that the base layer needs to be on a bare surface.  My initial layer Advanced Graphene Coating was on a stripped washed, prepped, IPA'd surface.  I also get that 2+ coats does not give 2x the protection.  I am asking exactly about your point--the sacrificial layers.  For the most part, I see using CS3 or boost depending on situation.  They are both water-based.  If one day I have more time, can I use the solvent-based Advanced Graphene Spray on top of CS3 or boost?  Will the solvent-based product be counterproductive because I already used the water-based product on the top surface?

We know that the solvent-based Advanced Graphene Spray offers more durable protection than CS3, so if I had the time and product, could I use them interchangeably as toppers?  Again, the root of the question is whether a solvent-based graphene product can be layered on top of a water-based product.  I imagine that once any product is fully cured, it would not matter, but I want to confirm.  Thanks.

On 5/17/2023 at 6:14 PM, falcaineer said:

I'm not at liberty to release the percentages/amounts, but from highest to lowest, the order is Graphene Boost, GCS3, and finally GDS. Hope that helps!

@falcaineer , another question for you and/or your chemist--Assuming the product is fully cured each time before the next product is applied, are there any issues interlayering graphene products that are water-based and solvent-based?  For example, if one applied the Advanced Graphene Coating (solvent), then uses CS3 for maintenance (water), then use Advanced Graphene Spray (solvent), etc. would that be counterproductive in any way or cause any of the products to not function as well as intended?

The question may sound silly, but sometimes there is more leisure to apply a more time consuming/demanding coating (typically solvent-based) while other times only a quick application.  I am curious to know if I can mix-match products as time permits.  Again, assuming they are fully cured before the next layer.  Another way to answer the question is whether it is okay to put solvent-based on top of water-based (since we know it's common to use water-based on top of solvent-based as maintenance).

Thanks!

3 hours ago, falcaineer said:

I'm not at liberty to release the percentages/amounts, but from highest to lowest, the order is Graphene Boost, GCS3, and finally GDS. Hope that helps!

This helps.  Thanks for researching and reporting!

On 5/15/2023 at 5:24 PM, RayS said:

The regular detail spray is used when you need to Polish or Clay a vehicle, not only does it smell good, it is very effective and less expensive than CS3 or Graphene Detail Spray.

 

If your vehicle is Graphene Coated and has sat in the garage for a week and just needs a little dust knocked off it, then the Graphene Detail Spray is ideal. It is not only less expensive than CS3, it also leaves a wet look.

 

If the vehicle has been out and about or sitting for a month in the garage, then you need something with cleaning properties and CS3 is ideal.

Thank you.  Between the Graphene Detail Spray and graphene CS3, do you happen to know which product has the more of the resin/graphene ingredients for better durability/protection?  Also, I presume Graphene Boost has the most resin/graphene out of the three products?

I've read various posts and watched videos trying to understand the differences between the Detail Spray and CS3.

I understand that the Detail Spray is designed to work on clean cars whereas CS3 has lubricity that allows the towel to glide and has cleaning power for a waterless wash.  The Detail Spray can be used as a drying aid, but I also read threads indicating that CS3 can serve that role as well.

Perhaps the better question is what can the Detail Spray do that the CS3 cannot do?  From what I can tell, CS3 can also be used on a clean car, can also be used as a drying aid, and adds cleaning.  Does the Detail Spray provide more protection?  Better shine?  Better graphene protection?  What am I missing?

Also, CS3 is more expensive than the Detail Spray.  I can understand why since the CS3 also cleans.  So why would I ever want to use the Detailer when I have CS3?

Please advise.

Thanks.

27 minutes ago, The Guz said:

You have tried to remove it chemically and as I mentioned on the other form you are at the point that it needs to be polished off.  I can understand you don't want to but that is the quickest fix and the surest fix.  Careful polishing the headlight to not remove the OEM coating.  Polish it lightly by hand.  

I have PPF over the paint and headlights.  Chemical removal using Goof Off does work, but it seems to remove at least a part of the ceramic coating.  It's not the end of the world to re-apply, but I am simply looking for a chemical that will dissolve the stains without removing the coating.  If it comes to it, I am not unwilling to polish, but Goof Off can be more surgical. 

What are some of the known cleaners that are effective at removing bird droppings (assuming that is what it is)?

Thanks.

8 minutes ago, The Guz said:

Did you apply the coating yourself?  

Yes

The surface is perfectly smooth. I spot-tried clay, but it made no difference. I tried heat too, nothing.

So far, waterless detailer, soap, IPA, Goo Gone, Simple Green, Vinegar 50/50 have not worked. I tried Goof Off on one of the spots. It did work, but it also removed the UV reactivity, which I take to mean that it's removed at least in part the ceramic coating.

Compare the images below. The spots are only visible under UV. Btw, the edges are fluorescing brightly because of the accumulation of the graphene ceramic coating.

I ended up trying 50/50 vinegar and Goo Gone. Neither made a difference. What would fluoresce under UV, sticks to ceramic coating, and is so hard to remove?

I have PPF and fresh but fully cured Adam's Advanced Graphene coating. After a drive today, I noticed that there were about a dozen spots in front of the car. They do not look like tar. They could be bird dropping but I am not sure. Based on their roundish shape, they were in liquid form when they contacted the car.

I used some waterless detail spray and was able to remove them with a bit of rubbing, or so I thought. Even though they were no longer visible to my eyes under the garage shop lights, they are still there.

Under UV, all those spots light up brighter than the graphene ceramic coating, as if the spots were never removed. I washed the area with soap, it made no difference. Neither did 50% IPA.  Whatever it is, I don't want it to etch into the coating or PPF.

What can I use to try to remove these spots without harming the ceramic coating or PPF?  I want to use only what is necessary to remove the spots, in escalating aggressiveness.  It's hard to find the right solvent not knowing what the spots are.  The only clue is that they fluoresce under UV.  Windex?  Simple Green?  I don't want to use Goof Off or Goo Gone in fear that they will damage the coating or PPF.

I'd appreciate some advice. 

Thanks.

Scenario: Adam's Advanced Graphene Ceramic, properly applied and cured.  Have some Ethos Resist laying around, any concerns with using it as a topper?  Is it even beneficial to do so?  Thanks.

3 hours ago, falcaineer said:

Assuming that the coating is properly applied, and the right prep work done beforehand as well, one layer of the Graphene Ceramic Coating is sufficient. When layering ceramic coatings, the law of diminishing returns applies and adding 2+ layers does not equate 2x+ protection. The coating essentially rejects itself. Instead to maintain, use any of the graphene lineup products.

Thank you for your reply.  I always thought it would be a diminishing return, if any return at all.  The way I saw it, once the first coat cures, it becomes very slippery and any subsequent coat will just slip off.  However, I've read about, and have been told that there is *some* benefit, perhaps 30% or so from a second coating (not spray).  How, then, is this possible?

I got both the coating and spray.  From the sounds of it, if I am willing to go through the pain of a more difficult application with the coating, there is no reason to keep the spray?

Hi, with a properly applied Adam's Advanced Ceramic Coating, is the Advanced Graphene Ceramic Spray still useful? If spray is to be used for maintenance, does it in fact "build" on top of the already applied coating and increase the durability?  Why not just apply another coat of the Ceramic Coating instead?

I can see how the spray can get into areas where the coating cannot (i.e., spray into an area), but why would one choose the spray over the coating, cost and ease of application notwithstanding?

Thanks.