Novice3Clnr

Wow!  I asked a simple question about obtaining documents that are required to be provided by law, documents that I can use to assess the health and environmental risks of using your products and instead of just telling me how I might obtain them, it appears you have turned this into a public obfuscation.  
 
First you cast aspersions on my use of the information by asking why I wanted them.  The information is required by OSHA to be provided when requested, I should not have to justify why I want it.  But being a nice guy I did that - told you I was concerned with what I am being exposed to by using your products.  Still that was not enough? More aspersions...
 
What does it take to get MSDS Sheets out of your company?
 
Then in trying to down play the importance of an MSDS sheet you said this:
 
MSDS sheets are extremely tough to read by anyone other than a chemist. Worse than a legalese contract!
 
1.  This, on whole, is just not true.  The sections on Exposures and Health Risks should be written such that the layman can understand them and understand what chemicals they are exposed to, what are appropriate safety measures to take, etc..  These sections should be straight forward and accessible by all.  Weren't MSDS sheets created as a result of OSHA regulations as part of the "Worker Right To Know" provisions and as such that is one of their primary purposes - to allow those who work around or use any product to know what they are exposed to and how to protect them self?  Sure with many products the risks might be benign, but that doesn't take away a worker's "right to know." 
2.  But are you implying that I or your other customers are too stupid to read MSDS sheets? 
 
One of the key sections of a MSDS sheet is a section on what Personal Protective Equipment is suggested when using the product.  I will know how to protect myself when I read the sheet and I will understand the risks of using the product.  Someone might say, "just use gloves" which might be directionally correct but some chemicals permeate latex, others permeate nitrile. But I want to go to the source material (the MSDS) and see what the "experts" have written on what I am exposed to and how to protect myself.  That is my right.  Why say things to try to take away that right or make it difficult to “know?”  Why make it difficult for me to protect my health and my family’s health when using your products?
 
I also note that other key sections of an MSDS sheet are the Hazards Identification section with potential health effects, chronic effects, etc.  Then there is a First Aid section which identifies appropriate measures in case of an accident.   Oh and Handling and Storage sections too.   So I don't know why one thinks this is only applicable to shippers,In surers and others and not the end users?  Does it take a degree in chemistry to be able to read these sections and understand how to apply first aid?
 
I did not come on this forum to stir up any debate - I came because I made an appropriate request through Adam's channels and had not been sent the information.  I figured the public question would get attention – and it did.  I was looking for a stand up guy who would tell me how to get the information quickly - that is not what I have found rather it appears I have gotten inferences that I am up to something nefarious, reasons why you don’t want to provide the information and suggestions that I couldn’t understand it if I got it.  Jeez.
 
Look, I do not leave decisions on my health open to debate or to public opinion, I like to go to the source material and evaluate the risks myself.  I understand that many people may choose to manage their health or risks in their life differently and that is fine, it is just not for me.  This is a free country, please do not begrudge me the “right to know” as afforded by current law.
 
We typically provide this information, however if the request comes dorm JoeBlow@gmail.com, we question the intentions of the requestor.   Fair?
 
NO! While I can understand several business reasons for your skepticism, however I see many competitors have their MSDS sheets accessible online.  Also, I do not believe the law allows you to pick and choose who you send the information to when you receive a valid request.
 
So I am not interested in an online debate, nor scoring points - just being protective of my health and safety.
 
Please provide the MSDS sheets from my request.  Thanks!

Wow!  I asked a simple question about obtaining documents that are required to be provided by law, documents that I can use to assess the health and environmental risks of using your products and instead of just telling me how I might obtain them, it appears you have turned this into a public obfuscation.  
 
First you cast aspersions on my use of the information by asking why I wanted them.  The information is required by OSHA to be provided when requested, I should not have to justify why I want it.  But being a nice guy I did that - told you I was concerned with what I am being exposed to by using your products.  Still that was not enough? More aspersions...
 
What does it take to get MSDS Sheets out of your company?
 
Then in trying to down play the importance of an MSDS sheet you said this:
 
MSDS sheets are extremely tough to read by anyone other than a chemist. Worse than a legalese contract!
 
1.  This, on whole, is just not true.  The sections on Exposures and Health Risks should be written such that the layman can understand them and understand what chemicals they are exposed to, what are appropriate safety measures to take, etc..  These sections should be straight forward and accessible by all.  Weren't MSDS sheets created as a result of OSHA regulations as part of the "Worker Right To Know" provisions and as such that is one of their primary purposes - to allow those who work around or use any product to know what they are exposed to and how to protect them self?  Sure with many products the risks might be benign, but that doesn't take away a worker's "right to know." 
2.  But are you implying that I or your other customers are too stupid to read MSDS sheets? 
 
One of the key sections of a MSDS sheet is a section on what Personal Protective Equipment is suggested when using the product.  I will know how to protect myself when I read the sheet and I will understand the risks of using the product.  Someone might say, "just use gloves" which might be directionally correct but some chemicals permeate latex, others permeate nitrile. But I want to go to the source material (the MSDS) and see what the "experts" have written on what I am exposed to and how to protect myself.  That is my right.  Why say things to try to take away that right or make it difficult to “know?”  Why make it difficult for me to protect my health and my family’s health when using your products?
 
I also note that other key sections of an MSDS sheet are the Hazards Identification section with potential health effects, chronic effects, etc.  Then there is a First Aid section which identifies appropriate measures in case of an accident.   Oh and Handling and Storage sections too.   So I don't know why one thinks this is only applicable to shippers,In surers and others and not the end users?  Does it take a degree in chemistry to be able to read these sections and understand how to apply first aid?
 
I did not come on this forum to stir up any debate - I came because I made an appropriate request through Adam's channels and had not been sent the information.  I figured the public question would get attention – and it did.  I was looking for a stand up guy who would tell me how to get the information quickly - that is not what I have found rather it appears I have gotten inferences that I am up to something nefarious, reasons why you don’t want to provide the information and suggestions that I couldn’t understand it if I got it.  Jeez.
 
Look, I do not leave decisions on my health open to debate or to public opinion, I like to go to the source material and evaluate the risks myself.  I understand that many people may choose to manage their health or risks in their life differently and that is fine, it is just not for me.  This is a free country, please do not begrudge me the “right to know” as afforded by current law.
 
We typically provide this information, however if the request comes dorm JoeBlow@gmail.com, we question the intentions of the requestor.   Fair?
 
NO! While I can understand several business reasons for your skepticism, however I see many competitors have their MSDS sheets accessible online.  Also, I do not believe the law allows you to pick and choose who you send the information to when you receive a valid request.
 
So I am not interested in an online debate, nor scoring points - just being protective of my health and safety.
 
Please provide the MSDS sheets from my request.  Thanks!

Hey, does Adman's have Material Safety Data Sheets for its products?  Are they accessible on line?  If not how does one go about obtaining them?

Hey, does Adman's have Material Safety Data Sheets for its products?  Are they accessible on line?  If not how does one go about obtaining them?