Chewy Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I like not seeing a Ford in the mix... I pretty much agree with what they picked. http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/27/forbes-releases-2011-worst-cars-on-the-road-list/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordgrey Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Interesting take on what it takes to make the list. Really, I don't think that cost of ownership (ie gas guzzler) should be a factor though. That is something the buyer should have figured out going into the deal. No one buys an Escalade for it's reputation as miserly user of gas. Reliabilty and safety? Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 I think they compare to like vehicles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolinaboy Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Dang there are a lot of Chevys in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE Mook Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Heck, I thought they killed the Aveo and Colorado already LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marylander Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I put zero stock in those lists. They're usually compiled by some low-level staffer who knows little about cars, the don't have any objective criteria, and they're so narrowly focused ("Hey, lets consider 1000 cars built for different purposes, price points, economies, etc. and distill it down to 10 names!) that in essence they're comparing apples to orange soda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Adam's Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I'd also love to know how and where they get their info, the Esky and Tahoe hybrid share the chasis with my truck and a big deciding factor for me was the safety. According to the Article: "2011 Cadillac Escalade earned spots on the Worst Value, Highest Cost of Ownership and Worst Safety Performance lists. The 2011 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid hung with the Cadillac for Worst Value and safety" But According to the NHTSA crash tests: Passenger: 5 stars Driver: 5 stars Side impact front: 5 stars Side impact rear: 5 stars So how is that they're on the list for safety reasons when the governments standard testing by which all vehicles are rated lists them as perfect in all impact categories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Carolinaboy Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I always think these are boggus! I love the tahoe, esky platform I would love to have a tahoe as my next vehicle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 I'd also love to know how and where they get their info, the Esky and Tahoe hybrid share the chasis with my truck and a big deciding factor for me was the safety. According to the Article: "2011 Cadillac Escalade earned spots on the Worst Value, Highest Cost of Ownership and Worst Safety Performance lists. The 2011 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid hung with the Cadillac for Worst Value and safety" But According to the NHTSA crash tests: Passenger: 5 stars Driver: 5 stars Side impact front: 5 stars Side impact rear: 5 stars So how is that they're on the list for safety reasons when the governments standard testing by which all vehicles are rated lists them as perfect in all impact categories? Is that the latest test though Dylan? The newer test is MUCH more intense. See press release... It's older because I know the new Edge and Explorer passed it. http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/29/nhtsa-to-update-5-star-testing-process/ Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris@Adams Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I strongly disagree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Adam's Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Thats 2010 data... and while I'm all for improving safety testing kind of seems bogus to evaluate vehicles designed under the old standards using new standards don't you think? Thats like subjecting cars of the 1960's to an EPA mileage evaluations and ranking them low b/c the prius does so well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1inblue Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 What does Forbes know about car/trucks anyways? Lol Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Thats 2010 data... and while I'm all for improving safety testing kind of seems bogus to evaluate vehicles designed under the old standards using new standards don't you think? Thats like subjecting cars of the 1960's to an EPA mileage evaluations and ranking them low b/c the prius does so well No I don't think so. Some passed. I think you have to make people aware that they don't meet the new standards. Heck... The newer Edge didn't until February 2011. Ford made some changes to the current roof structure and now meets those standards. The analogy you use doesn't work, because the cars from the '60s aren't in production anymore. These cars are. I know the test was from 2010, but it WAS the newer guidelines that they used to do the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueGenCoupe Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Majority GM cars. No wonder there in the crapper! I was never a fan of Ford, but there making some really nice cars now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiterp199 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I always disagree with these lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1inblue Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Majority GM cars. No wonder there in the crapper! I was never a fan of Ford, but there making some really nice cars now! Ford make some ok vehicles but just like anything they have their flaws. A buddy of mine has new 5.0 and already has a oil leak. But its the nature of the new designs. It comes with flaws just as the Camaro did when it first came out. Ill never buy a new design vehicle again until the second year of the design. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Majority GM cars. No wonder there in the crapper! I was never a fan of Ford, but there making some really nice cars now! So is GM and Fiat... Err I mean Pentastar... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAYBEN Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 No I don't think so. Some passed. I think you have to make people aware that they don't meet the new standards. Heck... The newer Edge didn't until February 2011. Ford made some changes to the current roof structure and now meets those standards. The analogy you use doesn't work, because the cars from the '60s aren't in production anymore. These cars are. I know the test was from 2010, but it WAS the newer guidelines that they used to do the test. so my wifes 2011 Edge that we got in Nov '10 doesn't pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 so my wifes 2011 Edge that we got in Nov '10 doesn't pass? Hahaha... Nope... I believe it passed the old test though. It's not like they're going to burst into flames... It's just that the test includes more areas which some vehicles weren't designed to pass. Does it make them unsafe? Heck no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAYBEN Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Actually, I just got a letter saying the computer can burst into flames and to take it in for the recall.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Actually, I just got a letter saying the computer can burst into flames and to take it in for the recall.. Nice! Our Enclave has an issue with the heated washer fluid... They're going to remove it from the vehicle. Heated washer fluid is actually pretty nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAYBEN Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 heated washer fluid eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdutytd Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I am here to Agree with Dylan. Most of the Pacific Northwest has either an Escalade/Escalade Ext/Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon/Denali/Denali XL and I know literally dozens of people with these vehicles and except for some electronics quirks on the old ones they seem to be rock solid reliable. Hell my dad has had 3 new body style (07,08,11) Tahoe's and has put a combined 140,000 miles on them and hasn't had any of them break down on him (or any problems I can think of?). I'm not buying this being unreliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill-V8V Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 The company GM got the parts from for the heated washer fluid went under. There is an issue with the boards and they can catch fire. Chevy removed them last year and gave $100 to the owners who had it removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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