Paint Correcting Polish Failure?

[DRossow]

Alright I will attempt to cover all aspects concerning the recent failure I experienced with my current bottle of paint correcting polish.  First a little on my background, I am NOT a professional by any means, though I have been polishing and correcting my own vehicles for 10+ years and utilizing Adam's products for the last 2 years or so.  About a month ago (sometime around mid July or so) a good friend of mine came to me with her 2009 Chevy Silverado with  severely damaged paint (honestly I have never seen paint look this bad). She wanted her paint corrected, so I did a test section on the passenger side fender with great results, I actually felt bad after the test section was done because the difference stood out.  Then she decided to go ahead and start the rest of the truck, performed a two bucket wash, dried, and clayed the hood and fenders, we only had enough time to perform the correct in steps. The issue/failure was as soon as the paint correcting polish was applied to the paint and spread around with both my flex and rupes mini it seemed to haze like a wax almost immediately.  I had zero working time with the polish as soon as it hit the truck it would haze and as I continued to work the polish it would produce a crazy amount of dusting.  I have used this same polish on my 2013 and 2014 Ford Raptor with no issue (this was several months ago).  I have recently placed another order for paint correcting and finishing polish.  Looking for any input to what could have caused this failure.

 

*Temperature that night was probably in the low 80's (I live in the Gulf Coast area of Texas).

*This correction was being done at approximately 9:00 PM so no direct sunlight.

*My products are all stored in the garage in a storage cabinet

*The product was some of the first I have purchased so it may have been around 2 years old 3 years tops.

*Between July and August we did have some soaring temperatures in excess of 100+ degrees.

 

Let me know ya'lls (yes that is a word) thoughts on what could have happened.

 

 

 

[Ashley@Adams]

I apologize for the trouble with the polish and we will get this resolved for you.  I have some questions to try and figure out what happened. 

 

Do you have any pictures of the truck?

Just to be sure, were you using Paint Correcting Polish?

Was the paint hot to the touch?  (Sometimes with really oxidized paint, it will soak up and dry out the polish quickly not allowing it to have a decent open time, especially if it's hot)

What pad were you using and did you lubricate it with Detail Spray?  

What speed setting was the Flex set to? 

How much polish did you apply for an area the size of a fender?

[vobro]

It may be parts of all, older product,stored inside a Texas garage for 2-3 years (is the garage air conditioned?). Also even though it was at 9 pm low 80's will make it more difficult especially for correcting, if the Correction Polish was drying right awayand you had severe dusting I'd say the panel never cooled off from the daylight hours. I know for me when you have heat and humidity it makes for a long day if I have to polish

[DRossow]

I apologize for the trouble with the polish and we will get this resolved for you.  I have some questions to try and figure out what happened. 

 

Do you have any pictures of the truck?

Just to be sure, were you using Paint Correcting Polish?

Was the paint hot to the touch?  (Sometimes with really oxidized paint, it will soak up and dry out the polish quickly not allowing it to have a decent open time, especially if it's hot)

What pad were you using and did you lubricate it with Detail Spray?  

What speed setting was the Flex set to? 

How much polish did you apply for an area the size of a fender?

I do not have any pictures of the truck it was late at night and hard to capture anything with a camera.

I was using Paint Correcting Polish (double and triple checked the bottle to make sure).

The paint was not hot, it was in the lower to mid 80's that night, but the truck had been washed previously that night and the paint was cool.

I was using a orange microfiber pad.

Speed setting 6 with the Flex and speed setting 6 on the Rupes 75 mini.

With the Flex I was using 4 or 5 dime sized drops and the Rupes was using maybe 3 small drops.

[DRossow]

It may be parts of all, older product,stored inside a Texas garage for 2-3 years (is the garage air conditioned?). Also even though it was at 9 pm low 80's will make it more difficult especially for correcting, if the Correction Polish was drying right awayand you had severe dusting I'd say the panel never cooled off from the daylight hours. I know for me when you have heat and humidity it makes for a long day if I have to polish

The panel had completely cooled and was cool to the touch, this was performed several hours after the sun went down and the truck had been washed.  The humidity could have played a role in it drying so fast maybe, I've never had this happen.

[DRossow]

Could it be possible that since the paint correcting polish had set for approx. 6 months since it's last use that the product may have separated and was not mixed thoroughly enough, even though I always shake the bottle before and during the correcting process.

[vobro]

I'm not a chemist but from what I've seen prolonged storage in heat has an adverse effect on some chemicals. Especially since you have used them before with no problems I'd say heat would be an issue.

[Ashley@Adams]

I do not have any pictures of the truck it was late at night and hard to capture anything with a camera.

I was using Paint Correcting Polish (double and triple checked the bottle to make sure).

The paint was not hot, it was in the lower to mid 80's that night, but the truck had been washed previously that night and the paint was cool.

I was using a orange microfiber pad.

Speed setting 6 with the Flex and speed setting 6 on the Rupes 75 mini.

With the Flex I was using 4 or 5 dime sized drops and the Rupes was using maybe 3 small drops.

 

Thank you for answering all my questions.  The product should be good.  I would do another section and make sure you shake the bottle really well before you use it.

 

I think the issue, was too much product.  Cut what you used in half, make sure you prime the pad with Detail Spray and brush the microfiber pad after every section.   

 

Let me know how this works for you.

[Ricky Bobby]

Its not the product.  Low 80's in the garage in the summer is humid as hell.  You are going to need to reactivate the polish with a wetting agent such as Detail Spray in order to not have it dry up.  Agree with Ashley's points, cut the product amount in half, and work it more with priming agent.  Humid 80's is not ideal polishing weather, but it can work.

[DRossow]

Thanks for the replies, I will try all recommendations when I get home.

[BRZN]

The storing of the Paint Correcting Polish in the garage shouldn't have caused the issue. We (The Adam's Carlisle Team) store all of our Demo products inside a closed/locked trailer out in an open field on the Carlisle Fairgrounds located in hot and humid Central PA all show season. I've been inside the trailer while we were working a show this summer when the inside temperature of the trailer was 110*. Recommend leaving it in severe temperature swings, no. But I've not experienced any separation or degradation of the products through a show season. We will also perform paint correction on black asphalt in direct sun in the middle of the day, on black vehicles. Recommended, no, but it can be done. We work smaller areas at a time, and add Detail Spray more often to keep the polish active in the pad.

 

My thoughts mirror those above.

Too much product being used, however with the microfiber pad product is needed to be added more often

Not activating the product on the pad often enough with Detail Spray

The nap of the microfiber pad needs to be lifted with the pad cleaning and conditioning brush very often. A microfiber pad with the nap flat won't work the polish, but rather smear it on to the paint.

Try an Orange Foam Pad

[DRossow]

I will be giving this bottle of polish another try this weekend, weather permitting.  The more I think of it though I still can't pin point what happened during this particular polishing session.  Just to comment on some of the recommendations and comments listed above, after my initial 4 or 5 dime sized dots to prime the pad along with the initial shot of detail spray, I stopped adding product thinking that I had placed too much on the pad to start and kept reactivating with detail spray.  I was only working on a section equal to about a quarter of an entire hood.  I brushed the micro fiber pad out with the conditioning brush what felt like every minute, as soon as the polish hazed and basically seem to dry it would start causing the nap of the pad to go flat.  

 

I also tried the same process with a orange foam pad using 3 smaller dots of polish, and the same results, the polish would haze up and appear to dry like you would expect from a wax.

 

I will be giving this another shot this weekend, and have another bottle of correcting polish and finishing polish on its way just to compare, along with a new rupes 15 cant wait to try that polisher out.

[BRZN]

With the microfiber pad I place a line of polish, dots I do on the foam pad once it's primed.

[Z06Seal]

I had this happen to me and it drove me nuts. What I didn't know when I was a newbie at this way you do not polish a car under the sun at 12 in the afternoon. For the life of me, I could not figure out why it was dusting like out of this world.

 

This isn't your case, but I had to mention it lol.

 

That being said, I had the polish for about a year now and I hope it's still good and kicking. It's kept in a garage that doesn't go above 80 degrees and recently in a humidity controlled garage