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Got a question as a first time PC user.

 

I've got a similar situation... emx620 in this thread.

 

http://www.adamsforums.com/forums/machine-polishing/13711.htm?highlight=holograms

 

All I've done to the car with the PC is the SHR, and I have something similar to emx620 going on...

 

In direct sunlight, I have one or two vertical lines parallel to each other that move in the opposite direction as I am.

 

So if I'm standing on the passenger side facing the car and slide to the front bumper, the lines move to the rear. and vice versa....

 

I wanted to ask you guys if this is normal? and I should continue on with FMP?

 

I'll post some pics here in a few, need to move the car so it's in some direct sunlight.

 

I planned on finishing up the polishing with some BG then BW...

 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks!

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"Those appear more to be smudging, likely from polishing oils and things of that nature, not holograms. Its virtually impossible to introduce holograms with the PC as there is not forced high speed rotation to the pad. Holograms are the result of poor rotary technique.

 

Start by stripping the car, you can use dawn dish soap or a mixture of All Purpose Cleaner and car wash to create an non-neutral strip wash.

 

Once you get all the waxes off of the finish, go ahead and clay the entire car, then work panel by panel. Use less product this go around. Fine Machine Polish is notoriously hard to remove all of if you go too heavy on the product or don't work it fully."

 

This was quoted from Dylan. Give this a shot.

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:iagree:

 

That would be the first thing I'd suggest... fact of the matter is holograming is only really possible from the use of a high speed with bad technique. The PC doesn't really have the capability of holograming a finish so you're most likely dealing with smudging/polishing oils/residues that didn't come off fully.

 

Try to strip part of the problem area with IPA to start... if it doesn't come off then you may just have a couple of spots where you didn't work the polish fully (common for new comers) and it hazed the finish a tad. Hit it again with the process and they should come out.

 

Just address the obvious first and make sure its not something that will come off with IPA

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cool.. after looking at it again while taking some pics, it doesn't seem as bad as it did earlier...

 

The other thing I forgot to mention was I initially was at speed 4 on the PC... then realized I should have been on 5...

 

would slower speeds cause the smudging? or make it harder to wipe to polish off?

 

wait... LOL I'm thinking this through as I type.

 

Tell me if I'm right.... as long as I let the polish flash... the speed shouldn't matter that much??? it just won't cut as well at 4 as it does at 5?

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The other thing I forgot to mention was I initially was at speed 4 on the PC... then realized I should have been on 5...

 

would slower speeds cause the smudging? or make it harder to wipe to polish off?

 

 

 

yes and no... its gonna take a long time to break stuff down at 4 vs. 5 b/c thats a good amount of drop off in speed, so odds are you'd see the polish dry out before it had a chance to flash in many cases.

 

I'd say no lower than 5 for your next go around and you'd have less of an issue. Plus at such a low speed like 4 its really hard to put down the appropriate amount of pressure on the pad to get effective polishing without fully stalling the pad rotation out. If you do get appropriate rotation your pressure is probably too light for the pad to make good contact.

 

General Rules to Follow:

  • Settings 1-3 good for spreading/applying
  • Setting 4 good for 4" pad work
  • Setting 5-6 good for polishing

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yes and no... its gonna take a long time to break stuff down at 4 vs. 5 b/c thats a good amount of drop off in speed, so odds are you'd see the polish dry out before it had a chance to flash in many cases.

 

I'd say no lower than 5 for your next go around and you'd have less of an issue. Plus at such a low speed like 4 its really hard to put down the appropriate amount of pressure on the pad to get effective polishing without fully stalling the pad rotation out. If you do get appropriate rotation your pressure is probably too light for the pad to make good contact.

 

General Rules to Follow:

  • Settings 1-3 good for spreading/applying
  • Setting 4 good for 4" pad work
  • Setting 5-6 good for polishing

 

 

sweet! Thanks very much! Here's the best pics I could take at lunch...

 

Doesn't really show what I'm seeing...

 

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I see it. I get those as well. I'm going to have to try Dylan's dawn/APC treatment next time before going to town on the truck.

 

 

btw, you need new tires. :D

 

Yep I'm gonna put some Isopropyl Alcohol. on the car to get it uber clean...

 

Then hit it again.

 

:D

 

If you think the fronts are bad you should see the rears... :willy:

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Get em young man - Good Job! Two Bucket wash should be instinct to future drivers.

 

Personally, I never planned to ever wash I car. When I was 14 I figured my 3rd platinum album would guarantee my Limo status for life.

 

Blah, by age 30, only had one local hit song, sold 6000 copies at shows. Lame.

 

2 bucket wash rules. Add a Merino wash mitt to your next order. Worth the $$cha-ching$$.:2thumbs:

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Get em young man - Good Job! Two Bucket wash should be instinct to future drivers.

 

Personally, I never planned to ever wash I car. When I was 14 I figured my 3rd platinum album would guarantee my Limo status for life.

 

Blah, by age 30, only had one local hit song, sold 6000 copies at shows. Lame.

 

2 bucket wash rules. Add a Merino wash mitt to your next order. Worth the $$cha-ching$$.:2thumbs:

 

and I thought I was gonna be a pro athlete.... at 5'9" 150 lbs...

 

:lolsmack:

 

At least you actually gave it a shot. :thumbsup:

 

the merino mit is on my wish list for sure. :D

 

69870358.jpg

 

:jester:

 

Dude, It's like you were there...

 

:lol:

 

verynice family event..dylan nice photoshop work

 

Thanks very much!

 

photoshop... LMAO

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http://www.soloman.net/resources/whynot.mp3

 

 

The Song lol. There's others, had a few play on local radio in moderate rotation. Was cool, I'd be working and hear my band on the radio. Pretty cool feeling. Been over 10 years. Now I just write and record on the iMac home studio.

 

5'9" 150 - there's PLENTY pro athletes that size. I was too lazy to play sports. Long hair and guitars = ladies when I was younger ;).

 

:rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon: :rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon: :rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

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OK to the experts....

 

car rewashed, clayed.... AAAANDD wiped down with 70% iso alchohol. :D

 

That baby is stripped! :D

 

cleaned everything all my pads and MF towels. I will probably be able to start polishing again with the PC on Wed.

 

so, what should I do if anything before I start polishing? wipe the car down again with Alcohol? waterless wash???

 

What say the experts :D

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Cool, shouldn't be too dirty as we are expecting any rain and I keep her in the garage at night...

 

I finally got a good video of the effect I'm seeing... I'm starting to think it's just reflection from microscratches... should be ready to post in a few mins

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OK... Keep in mind, the paint is stripped... And the deck lid has never been machine polished....

 

what do you think... video can be watched in 1080p

 

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Sorry for the tripple post bump... (master level interwebs user....) ;)

 

But before I get the PC back out... I'd like to make double sure you guys don't see anything in that video I should be concerned about....

 

:D

 

 

I'm so embarrassed by the fact that a little machine polish/wax has me so stumped... I've built engines, modded cars my whole life... but the paint stuff has me all wierded out... :o

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No... if you've never polished before it might just be a combination of swirls and maybe some buffing done by the dealer... thats almost a hologram effect, but not quite. Hit it with a pass of FMP on the white pad and I bet its gone or at the least reduced by a lot.

 

Will do!

 

Taking the day off tomorrow so I can spend some time getting it right.

 

I'll be posting pics/vid if I need to...

 

thanks again!

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