The Ryan Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 There is a reason for that... water based products are safe for rubber and trim. Silicone based products are not. Plus theres the issues of dust/dirt retention and sling. Really its a trade off... you can have low gloss, low dirt gathering, no sling tire dressing (VRT) or you can have silicone based, greasy, dirty retaining, potentially slinging tire dressing. Personally I'd rather apply a fresh coat after a rain or wash that have to scrub the sides of my truck to get dirt laden silicone goop off. I don't like the overly glossy look anyways... I would rather apply the VRT weekly and know its not damaging my rubber and slinging crap all down the side of my car.. Black silicone spots are pretty noticeable on yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 VRT looks BLING on tires IMO. It takes about 3 seconds per tire on the G8 to reapply. 40 series tires on 19" rims are small... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdutytd Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Dylan I live in Seattle. Not so cal. Are you trying to cover your salary by selling me VRT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Adam's Posted April 14, 2010 Author Share Posted April 14, 2010 Dylan I live in Seattle. Not so cal. Are you trying to cover your salary by selling me VRT? Now we all know nobody cares about the pacific northwest, so my post ignored your insignificant rainy area as it is of no consequence to me. In all honesty, if you find something you like that will stand up to rain and not contain silicone shoot me a PM so we can look into it and maybe try to come up with a similar product. Its not that we won't fill a gap when we see it, but we also don't compromise what we think is right in terms of how a product performs. Silicones turn rubber brown and if we can find a way to make a water based dressing not run in water we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faze Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 There is a reason for that... water based products are safe for rubber and trim. Silicone based products are not. Plus theres the issues of dust/dirt retention and sling. Really its a trade off... you can have low gloss, low dirt gathering, no sling tire dressing (VRT) or you can have silicone based, greasy, dirty retaining, potentially slinging tire dressing. Personally I'd rather apply a fresh coat after a rain or wash that have to scrub the sides of my truck to get dirt laden silicone goop off. I agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdutytd Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Now we all know nobody cares about the pacific northwest, so my post ignored your insignificant rainy area as it is of no consequence to me. In all honesty, if you find something you like that will stand up to rain and not contain silicone shoot me a PM so we can look into it and maybe try to come up with a similar product. Its not that we won't fill a gap when we see it, but we also don't compromise what we think is right in terms of how a product performs. Silicones turn rubber brown and if we can find a way to make a water based dressing not run in water we will. I don't know of any products that work good so all my tires look bad all winter. I cannot stand silicon, which I think is about the only thing that will last. I find if VRT sits on trim or tires for a few days and 'soaks' in it dose last quite a bit longer. The only thing I can think of is using a trim restoring product like black wow. I could always move to AZ/SoCal too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Adam's Posted April 14, 2010 Author Share Posted April 14, 2010 I don't know of any products that work good so all my tires look bad all winter. I cannot stand silicon, which I think is about the only thing that will last. I find if VRT sits on trim or tires for a few days and 'soaks' in it dose last quite a bit longer. The only thing I can think of is using a trim restoring product like black wow. I could always move to AZ/SoCal too. I highly recommend option B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jkel Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 There is a reason for that... water based products are safe for rubber and trim. Silicone based products are not. Plus theres the issues of dust/dirt retention and sling. Really its a trade off... you can have low gloss, low dirt gathering, no sling tire dressing (VRT) or you can have silicone based, greasy, dirty retaining, potentially slinging tire dressing. Personally I'd rather apply a fresh coat after a rain or wash that have to scrub the sides of my truck to get dirt laden silicone goop off. I can personally speak on this. I have used AA for a longtime, two months ago I had a flat tire and took it to the shop to get it fixed. I was amazed when he told me that there was nothing in the tire and that he could not fix it and recommended that I not leave his property, reason you ask. DRY ROT, tires were 3 years old and had PLENTY of tread left. After he broke the old tires down you could actually see the spot where it was weak. He told me AA caused this, but I didn't believe him, just thought he was trying to sell me something, did a little research and he was right, Just glad they didn't blow out going down the interstate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerryC Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Not to stray too far off topic, but I've found on numerous vehicles that after multiple applications of VRT, the dressing actually absorbs into the tire rubber, and the result is having to re-apply less and less each time you dress your tires, even after a wash or rain. The very first thing I did to my G8 when I got it was VRT the tires once a day until the natural bland grey/brown of the tire was non existant. I haven't reapplied any VRT for about a week now and the tires are still pretty black, and we've had some rain. Anything else that's oil-based, won't absorb - it will sit on top of the rubber and be slimy, collect dirt, and looks like your tires are covered in hair gel. The goal is to make the tires look naturally black, which is what VRT does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 I can personally speak on this. I have used AA for a longtime, two months ago I had a flat tire and took it to the shop to get it fixed. I was amazed when he told me that there was nothing in the tire and that he could not fix it and recommended that I not leave his property, reason you ask. DRY ROT, tires were 3 years old and had PLENTY of tread left. After he broke the old tires down you could actually see the spot where it was weak. He told me AA caused this, but I didn't believe him, just thought he was trying to sell me something, did a little research and he was right, Just glad they didn't blow out going down the interstate. I can't see how Alcoholics Anonymous caused your tires to dry out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimitedDodge Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 I can't see how Alcoholics Anonymous caused your tires to dry out... I was thinking the same thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris@Adams Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Not to stray too far off topic, but I've found on numerous vehicles that after multiple applications of VRT, the dressing actually absorbs into the tire rubber, and the result is having to re-apply less and less each time you dress your tires, even after a wash or rain. The very first thing I did to my G8 when I got it was VRT the tires once a day until the natural bland grey/brown of the tire was non existant. I haven't reapplied any VRT for about a week now and the tires are still pretty black, and we've had some rain. Anything else that's oil-based, won't absorb - it will sit on top of the rubber and be slimy, collect dirt, and looks like your tires are covered in hair gel. The goal is to make the tires look naturally black, which is what VRT does. Good tip Gerry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jkel Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 I can't see how Alcoholics Anonymous caused your tires to dry out... It was Canada DRY, but the armor all will dry it out for sure.:lolsmack: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdutytd Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Not to stray too far off topic, but I've found on numerous vehicles that after multiple applications of VRT, the dressing actually absorbs into the tire rubber, and the result is having to re-apply less and less each time you dress your tires, even after a wash or rain. The very first thing I did to my G8 when I got it was VRT the tires once a day until the natural bland grey/brown of the tire was non existant. I haven't reapplied any VRT for about a week now and the tires are still pretty black, and we've had some rain. Anything else that's oil-based, won't absorb - it will sit on top of the rubber and be slimy, collect dirt, and looks like your tires are covered in hair gel. The goal is to make the tires look naturally black, which is what VRT does. I had this going on my mustang until I had an assortment of tire disasters (don't even get me started on shanks, nails, or screws) I will try and get them soaked again this summer. The days when we get get rain 8-10 days in a row send me back to square one though I can't see how Alcoholics Anonymous caused your tires to dry out... I've heard puke on tires dries the hell outta them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfireshaker06 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 What do you guys suggest for a state that rains on trim that turns white? My shaker scoop and the trim ring fade after a while. I used the VRT but it doesn't last that long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdutytd Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 What do you guys suggest for a state that rains on trim that turns white? My shaker scoop and the trim ring fade after a while. I used the VRT but it doesn't last that long? What do you mean it turns white after it rains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfireshaker06 Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 The trim I use the VRT on fades to white after a while. I don't mean right afterwards. But it happens. VRT does not saturate into the plastics correct? Is it just a dress up dressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerryC Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 vrt will not absorb into hard plastics because they are not porous, so any water will wash the vrt much quicker than on your tires, which can result in streaky, runny lines. as far as altering the color of the plastic itself I've never heard of vrt doing that. the only thing i can think of is there is polish or wax residue on the plastic trim that the vrt was covering up, and after the vrt washed off, the residue showed up again and made the plastic appear white. Try a toothbrush and some all purpose cleaner to scrub the white part of the plastic, then rinse with water and see if it goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Adam's Posted April 15, 2010 Author Share Posted April 15, 2010 agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCRANER Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 What do you mean it turns white after it rains? I think this due to VRT being a water base formula. For plastic black trim I use 303 Aerospace Protectant. Can be found in boating supply stores. I find this works best for black plastic trim exposed to the regular world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 I think this due to VRT being a water base formula. For plastic black trim I use 303 Aerospace Protectant. Can be found in boating supply stores. I find this works best for black plastic trim exposed to the regular world. Really? I used that on our wave runner as we bought a gallon to use on the seats in the boat years ago and I find it to be almost identical to VRT only runny. I noticed that after our first voyage on the wave runner it was all washed off and there were run marks all over it. Just my observation. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCRANER Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 Really? I used that on our wave runner as we bought a gallon to use on the seats in the boat years ago and I find it to be almost identical to VRT only runny. I noticed that after our first voyage on the wave runner it was all washed off and there were run marks all over it. Just my observation. Chris I put a light coat on my Vette black trim parts, in the garage, and let it cure overnight. I have found that does work well for me, although the car is garage kept. The VRT on my trim did turn white spotty when I did my normal washing, and the 303 has not done that. Boats, salt water probably is tough to maintain. Hope this is helpful. Not knocking Adam's VRT, great product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfireshaker06 Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 So you had the "white" faded trim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCRANER Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 So you had the "white" faded trim? Yes, not terrible, but I did notice the VRT on the black plastic trim developed whitesh spots, not real white, just blothcey (did I spell that right?). The 303 did help as I described. Now, very white spots / streaks to me would indicate there is some sort of cleaner type wax product on the trim to begin with. I would suggest cleaning the trim with diluted APC to get a clean surface to begin with. Just my observations. Thanks. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfireshaker06 Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 Its blotchy like your talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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