alenv10 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Okay so I keep hearing that you need to let it cute for 12-24 hours before adding a layer of buttery over the sealant is this neccesary or can I apply like an hour after or so? I can't hold a car from a customer over night haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 egott_91 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 After applying MSS, wait 30 minutes, wipe product off. It requires that you let it cure after that for 12-24 due to the possibility of residual hazing from uneven spots. Sounds like you need to look into QS. Or, you could offer the client a complimentary wash the next weekend and apply the buttery wax then. Chase@InsanePaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Chase@InsanePaint Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Yup. Need to wait for the cure time. Erik, that's a great idea buddy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alenv10 Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 Good idea! And the reason being its about to be winter so I feel that should add a little protection during snow season am I right? Would sealant get through end of January with layer of brilliant and buttery? 2012CC6.2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mc2hill Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 The Buttery will not add much extra protection, Americana would add more. And I do what Erik suggests with a client. it's a black Infiniti G35 that lives outside. I correct it and apply MSS one weekend, then a week or 2 later I wash it again and lay on the BG & Americana. Chuckster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alenv10 Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 Customer won't really pay for the Americana so out of question there haha but how long should it be good for with sealant Nd brilliant or buttery even if they don't do mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Norton Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 MSS is suitable for use as a top-coat. It provides better protection than Buttery or Americana, all by itself. Although adding wax will provide SOME additional protection, doing so is more about shine than protection. Depending on climate, driving habits, etc, MSS should be good for several months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 goheels Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 MSS is suitable for use as a top-coat. It provides better protection than Buttery or Americana, all by itself. Although adding wax will provide SOME additional protection, doing so is more about shine than protection. Depending on climate, driving habits, etc, MSS should be good for several months. Agreed. I'm approaching 5 1/2 months with MSS on my garaged daily driver, and still have fantastic beading on the paint. I'll by detailing again in a couple of weeks just to get ready for the winter months, but I've always been impressed by the longevity of the sealant. (quick sealant isn't an attractive option for me because I don't like the idea of breathing in the fumes of an aerosol in my garage.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Chewy Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 You need to start using AQS. #1 because the process takes 50%+ less time to apply, remove, and top and #2 because it lasts and lasts IMO equally as long as MSS or longer. I top AQS with AQS after 10-30 minutes, but you could top with BW after 30 minutes too. I have a large garage so the fumes aren't really an issue. Plus I spray it into the MF applicator which reduces the atomization drastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 goheels Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 You need to start using AQS. #1 because the process takes 50%+ less time to apply, remove, and top and #2 because it lasts and lasts IMO equally as long as MSS. I top AQS with AQS after 10-30 minutes, but you could top with BW after 30 minutes too. I have a large garage so the fumes aren't really an issue. Plus I spray it into the MF applicator which reduces the atomization drastically. Fair enough, but I don't have a large garage... at least not yet. Certainly AQS is more convenient, but the fumes remain the deal breaker for me. Spraying it into a MF would help some, but I would rather take the extra time and not breathe in the fumes at all by using MSS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alenv10 Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 Well i think im going to go with machine super sealants for my vehicle's and friends but i might do quick for customers. How often do you guys seal and/or wax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Chewy Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Well i think im going to go with machine super sealants for my vehicle's and friends but i might do quick for customers. How often do you guys seal and/or wax? There's no hard set time frame for this. There are too many variables. Temps the car sits in, garaged or not, color of car (yes this can make a difference), and the weather the car sees. On average, I do mine 2 to 3 times a year, but I don't wait for them to stop beading. I'm proactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 goheels Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 There's no hard set time frame for this. There are too many variables. Temps the car sits in, garaged or not, color of car (yes this can make a difference), and the weather the car sees. Wow, first I've heard that color of car makes a difference. Do tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DonJuan692006 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Wow, first I've heard that color of car makes a difference. Do tell! Darker colors will absorb more heat than lighter contributing to the temp variable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alenv10 Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 Wait can i just apply brilliant shine to the the paint first and then apply sealant or will it not work as well that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mc2hill Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Wait can i just apply brilliant shine to the the paint first and then apply sealant or will it not work as well that way? The sealants work best when applied directly to the paint. They need to 'bond' with the paint vs. waxes that only sit on top of the paint. THE Mook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alenv10 Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 The sealants work best when applied directly to the paint. They need to 'bond' with the paint vs. waxes that only sit on top of the paint. Yea i was thinking that but i guess not clearly enough haha thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alenv10 Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Got my stuff in today! What else do you guys think I "NEED" my list. 1. car shampoo 2. single soft microfibers 3. all purpose cleaner 4. wheel cleaner. not sure if i want green wheel or deep wheel 5. clay 6. wax.... not sure which one. brilliant or buttery 7. machine super sealant thats all i can think of for now Edited September 18, 2013 by alenv10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Antv20 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Got my stuff in today! What else do you guys think I "NEED" my list. 1. car shampoo 2. single soft microfibers 3. all purpose cleaner 4. wheel cleaner. not sure if i want green wheel or deep wheel 5. clay 6. wax.... not sure which one. brilliant or buttery 7. machine super sealant thats all i can think of for now I highly recommend Undercarriage spray, glass cleaner, and glass sealant. Actually to be honest I recommend them all. I have yet to find an Adam's product that does not work! Wish I could say the same for some of the products I tried before Adam's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dovecom Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Do I HAVE to remove sealant before putting on a new coat? if the car is clean, and then clayed and rinsed, can I just put on more sealant, or do I need to use something like machine polish to remove it? If I used all-purpose cleaner in the water I use to keep the car wet while I clay it, will that do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mc2hill Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Do I HAVE to remove sealant before putting on a new coat? if the car is clean, and then clayed and rinsed, can I just put on more sealant, or do I need to use something like machine polish to remove it? If I used all-purpose cleaner in the water I use to keep the car wet while I clay it, will that do it? A sealant like MSS works best when applied directly to the paint. Your idea to use APC is good, BUT add 2-3 oz. to your wash bucket, not to the clay lube. If added to the clay lube it will quickly deteriorate the clay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alenv10 Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 Would it not be better to clay and layer on top of it, whats left of it anyways. instead of strip washing it completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mc2hill Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Would it not be better to clay and layer on top of it, whats left of it anyways. instead of strip washing it completely It is best to start with a 'clean' surface. This way you are a assured of having the MSS last a long as possible(4-6 months). If you put it 'on top' of something else, your protection is limited to how long 'something else' adheres to the paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 alenv10 Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 what if its on top of an older layer of machine super sealant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 tony97gt Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 what if its on top of an older layer of machine super sealant That's the problem, this stuff only adheres to the paint for a few months on average. If you go and put a new layer of it on top of a partially deteriorated layer, the new stuff will wdhere to the old stuff that is basically falling off, thus the new stuff will fall off with it. Think of it like paint, if you are painting bare metal every few months with new paint, it will hold up much longer than painting over old paint that is flaking off. Th new paint will flake off with the old paint. That's the point of the strip wash and clay, to give you that "bare metal" surface to appy your new protection to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ScottyBoy Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 How does Machine Super Sealant compare to the new Liquid Paint Sealant??? I have heard that the MSS has a 24 hour cure time and the LPS has an hour cure time. Other than that,is there any other differences? Also, does the 24 hour cure time mean that I can't drive the car for 24 hours? Or just that I can't add another layer of protection or a glaze forat least 24 hours?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Okay so I keep hearing that you need to let it cute for 12-24 hours before adding a layer of buttery over the sealant is this neccesary or can I apply like an hour after or so? I can't hold a car from a customer over night haha
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