Memphis Senior Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 I just purchased a 1999 Chevy S-10. It's to be my DD/work truck when I'm in TN. Being an Adam's guy though, I still want the truck to look good. I don't think the poor truck was ever waxed and probably rarely washed. All the locks and hinges are rusted to the point they all squeaked when used. So far I've used over 1/2 a can of WD-40 to get most things unstuck. Needless to say, the paint is in pretty sad shape. Now to my problem. I clayed the hood SEVERAL (4-5-6) times. I did the bag test and while the hood is noticeable smoother, I can still feel bumps. Also there are numerous, what appear to be, "blisters" all over the truck. Not sure what's causing those. My question is, should I continue to clay, or maybe get some "white polishing compound." Compound the truck first and then use the clay bar again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 11chevz71 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Sorry i cant help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bill-V8V Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Do you have any pictures Nick ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Memphis Senior Posted July 19, 2009 Author Share Posted July 19, 2009 Sorry Bill. I did take pics for a before and after tread I had planned to do. Unfortunately, I left the wire that connects my camera to the computer back in Calif. (I'm 71, so I claim "senior moment.") You'll have to wait until Oct when I get back to Calif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bill-V8V Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 I have those at 47 so no worries :lolsmack: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 70'sChevyGirl Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I have those "senior moments" more often than I care to talk about and I am never ever going to be as old as Bill. Now what was the subject?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jjwvette Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I just purchased a 1999 Chevy S-10. It's to be my DD/work truck when I'm in TN. Being an Adam's guy though, I still want the truck to look good. I don't think the poor truck was ever waxed and probably rarely washed. All the locks and hinges are rusted to the point they all squeaked when used. So far I've used over 1/2 a can of WD-40 to get most things unstuck. Needless to say, the paint is in pretty sad shape. Now to my problem. I clayed the hood SEVERAL (4-5-6) times. I did the bag test and while the hood is noticeable smoother, I can still feel bumps. Also there are numerous, what appear to be, "blisters" all over the truck. Not sure what's causing those. My question is, should I continue to clay, or maybe get some "white polishing compound." Compound the truck first and then use the clay bar again. Be careful with claying to much....Is the paint dull or faded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 FASN8N Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Sounds like it is time for a repaint w/o even seeing pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Memphis Senior Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 Quote: Originally Said by Memphis Senior Be careful with claying to much....Is the paint dull or faded? No the paint seems ok. Just lots of imbedded dirt/grit and those "blisters" I mentioned in my original post. I tried the swirl & haze remover with the orange pad followed by fine machine car polish, white pad and finally super wax, gray pad on half of the hood. The unwaxed 1/2 is dark (forgot to mention the truck is black) with some reflection but no real "pop" to the color. The 1/2 that's been waxed looks good in the shade. When taken into the sun you can see all the imperfections. It does however have a nice shine with some reflective quality. Sounds like it is time for a repaint w/o even seeing pictures. FASN8N... This is a truck I got from a neighbor for $3000 just to run around in and haul "stuff" while I'm in TN. About 4-6 months out of the year. I really don't want to spend any more money on it than I have to. It doesn't have to be a show truck. I just want it to look "nice." My Calif truck, a Ranger is my "pimped" ride. Here's a link if you're interested. http://www.adamsforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 FASN8N Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I understand what you are saying about not wanting to put a bunch of money in the truck, but if there are blisters in the paint, it is either rust forming under the paint or the clear coat might be ready to start separating from the base coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Team Adam's Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I understand what you are saying about not wanting to put a bunch of money in the truck, but if there are blisters in the paint, it is either rust forming under the paint or the clear coat might be ready to start separating from the base coat. Yep... "blisters" are never a good sign b/c it means there is serious failure somewhere. If its just the clear seperating then thats one thing, but if it is rust you've got much bigger problems. At this point I'd say in order to slow down the inevitable lay a couple light coats of wax on it to keep whats left protected. Don't polish!! that could break the blisters loose then you'll just have a area for it to start peeling. I had a friend pickup a 'beater' truck with a similar problem. Eventually he just sanded the truck down and rattle canned it flat black, so theres always that route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Marylander Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Considering all the comments and descriptions of the truck, I'd just say keep at it until you get some decent results or simply stop enjoying the challenge. It sounds like the truck is just going to be what it is -- we have to realize that not all cars are going to shine up to that super-gloss standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Memphis Senior Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 Rust under the paint. That's what I'm afraid of. Mostly because of all the other rusted parts I've found on the truck, as mentioned in my first post. So I guess it's back to PLAN A. LOL. Plan A was I would get a 2-3 year old lease return, full size Ford F-150 or Chevy Silverado 1500. Vehicles usually take the biggest hit on resale value in the first 2 years, hence my decision to get one 2-3 years old. Also most leased vehicles don't get as beat up, when people know they will be charged for excessive ware & tare & mileage. I figured I could get a truck that sold for $25-30K new for maybe $15-17K. I saw a VERY nice 07 Lariat that had about 25K on the odometer and the asking price was in the $18K range. Plan A went out the window when the stock market took a dump last year. Since I don't borrow money, if I can't write a check for the full amount, I figure I can't afford whatever it is. When the market comes back, I'll start shopping again. While I'm waiting for that to happen, I'll just keep the S-10 as clean/shiny as possible and give up on the idea of making it "POP." I have the Ranger for that. Thanks everyone for all the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 stang_krazy Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I just purchased a 1999 Chevy S-10. It's to be my DD/work truck when I'm in TN. Being an Adam's guy though, I still want the truck to look good. I don't think the poor truck was ever waxed and probably rarely washed. All the locks and hinges are rusted to the point they all squeaked when used. So far I've used over 1/2 a can of WD-40 to get most things unstuck. Needless to say, the paint is in pretty sad shape. Now to my problem. I clayed the hood SEVERAL (4-5-6) times. I did the bag test and while the hood is noticeable smoother, I can still feel bumps. Also there are numerous, what appear to be, "blisters" all over the truck. Not sure what's causing those. My question is, should I continue to clay, or maybe get some "white polishing compound." Compound the truck first and then use the clay bar again. Hey nick I know this is an old thread but why not work on it to try and get the paint as good as can be expected.Also you can consider this a learning experience/curve so when you get another DD you will know just what and how to accomplish it for a great detail, not to mention a better detailer! The first thing I do on something I'm unsure of is use my craftsman twin tripod halogen worklight to get the most light on the surface and check as good as possible ( I even use my brinkmann dual xenon light and my carson 10X lumiloupe to check on an area I may have questions about) Next after a complete wash or two I will then use a cleaner (swirl & haze remover with the orange pad) also in your post you never said how many applications you did with the SHR ( sometimes 1 application isn't enough it offten times takes 2 to 3 applications)also the most important step to any detail is the cleaning step, the more time you spend in this step will reflect your outcome IE:deepth of shine-clarity-reflectivity(on a darker paints)and something were all after that swirl free soaking wet look! Anyways after you've done your cleaning step, then go to your claying because if you just clayed first on such a neclected surface your going to be loading-up that piece of clay pretty fast and before you get half way through your piece of clay will be trash(no matter how many times you kneed it into itself and pick out all the trash out off it) And for this reason it's so important for this step in a neglected paint. Now you've removed all the above surface bonded contaminants you need to go after the contaminants thats in your paint so go back to your SHR and do another 2 or 3 applications, when you get this far you will see what I'm talking about.(Don't know if this is a Single stage paint on your S-10 but if it is you will be smiling pretty good now) Now let's bring some life back to that paint by applying some polish, (adams fine machine polish using the white pad) because overtime direct sunlight and the exposure to outdoor environments has takin away the resins (oils) from your paint and need to be replenished back into the pores of your paint to bring out the glossy and great reflectivity, More or less it's like lotion for your skin but it's polish for your paint just work it in and a healthier paint will appear! Now after all the hard work comes the time I look forward too! applying and locking in all that beauty, each person is different and what they like but to me there's nothing like applying 2 thin coats of a paste wax, sometimes when I feel energized I will apply a thin coat of a sealant and try to wait atleast 30 minutes or if I don't have to drive it or need it I will wait until the next day for the sealant to cure and then apply a thin coat of the paste wax and then wait at least an hour or so and apply another thin coat of paste wax. I know it's sometimes is a heated topic about layering but in MY OPINION more then 3 applications of any wax liquid or paste is it I see no change in the shine or gloss, but it all comes down to what looks good in your eyes because it's your paint and you know what looks good to your eyes. Anyway getting long winded sorry! but talk about a deep wet looking shine that will blow your mind, My mustang has/had the same problem with the bubbling on the back driver-side quarter for the last 10 years (garaged kept for at least 6-kids took over my garage! LOL) anyway I would use painters tape to tape off around that area since I tape off all trim and moldings anyway so my pc wouldn't hit it and I would do that area by hand very lightly. Hope I've been of some help:thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Chris@Adams Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I have those at 47 so no worries :lolsmack: Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Memphis Senior Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) Thanks for reminding me about this tread Dan. I had forgotten about it. Here are a few pics of the truck. Don't know what I did with the before photos. Probably deleted them by accident. (another senior moment.) This is the S-10 after a through washing and claying. Doesn't look to bad from a distance. Here are just a few of the numerous scratches on the sides of the truck. I'm sure someone took this truck off road on a regular basis where it was abused by tree branches and such. Someone tried to clean it up some by covering the scratches with a brushed on paint and then a coat of wax to make is blend in. No doubt to try to bring up the resale value. It didn't work. The front bumper on the right has many pot marks like this. Not sure if they are stone chips or it's blistering. On the left is after the first pass with SHR and a coat of MSW. On the right is after the 2nd pass with SHR. Note the trim below the hood. The paint is completely worn off in spots because I don't think this truck was ever waxed in the 11 years the previous owner had it. This final shot is after 3 passes with SHR, 2 coats of MSW and 2 coats of BW. Not what you guys are use to on a black car, but for my first try and considering what I had to start with, not to shabby IMO. You can't see it in these photos, but the baggie test reveals thousands of "bumps" in the surface. At this point I no longer think it's dirt that can be removed by further claying. I think because of the neglect, it's rusting from the inside out. This summer I plan to practice wet sanding and spray painting on some of the scratches. Since I'll probably be keeping this truck for a few years (Unless the stock market come roaring back) so I'll have plenty of chances to perfect my detailing skills. Edited February 13, 2010 by Memphis Senior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 whiterp199 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Man the s-10 looks good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 stang_krazy Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Hey nick looks like you've done a very nice job with the detail buddy Can you catch your finger nail on any of the scratches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bluezey Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Nick, I would say that your little S-10 is looking pretty Good !! Shine On Bluezey:pc: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Chris@Adams Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Looks good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 19stang88 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 from being an a auto body shop. those blisters you say could be rust on the metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Memphis Senior Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 from being an a auto body shop. those blisters you say could be rust on the metal. I don't understand this post. Are you asking a question or making a statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 19stang88 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 sorry. From experience at a autobody shop, blisters usually mean rust is forming underneath the primer. It's what happens when paint is neglected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Memphis Senior Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 Thanks David. That's what I suspected, was afraid of. So I guess I'll just keep it looking as good as I can and get rid of it as soon as I possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Memphis Senior
I just purchased a 1999 Chevy S-10. It's to be my DD/work truck when I'm in TN.
Being an Adam's guy though, I still want the truck to look good.
I don't think the poor truck was ever waxed and probably rarely washed.
All the locks and hinges are rusted to the point they all squeaked when used.
So far I've used over 1/2 a can of WD-40 to get most things unstuck.
Needless to say, the paint is in pretty sad shape.
Now to my problem. I clayed the hood SEVERAL (4-5-6) times.
I did the bag test and while the hood is noticeable smoother, I can still feel bumps.
Also there are numerous, what appear to be, "blisters" all over the truck.
Not sure what's causing those.
My question is, should I continue to clay, or maybe get some "white polishing compound."
Compound the truck first and then use the clay bar again.
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